who gives us the faith to believe - Page 12

GSDadmin.  wrote

I have witnessed to much child abuse and the pain and life long suffering of children to just dismiss it as well they are now born again. It is non-sense to even suggest God lets people in heaven who prey upon the most innocent amongst us.

 God does not let people in heaven that prey on little children,I never said he did.

   gouda

Really check page 9 of this thread. But here are your words posted below.



Really gouda. I read all of what Travels wrote you right before you insinuated she was using and I see nothing rude but I do see her putting you on the spot. You didn't like what she had to say so you figured you would throw up addiction and see if it would stick. If you really thought it was an abuse problem do you think confronting someone on the open forum was going to work?

And Beetree below, you flat out accused her. Both are insinuations/accusations and not very Christian like.  Again, I see Travels being nothing but kind and respectful, but you chose to try and shoot the messenger.

So, spin your explanation all you want.

judge not{ for Ruger1} by GSDtravels on 12 December 2011 - 23:12	GSDtravels Post: 2390 of 2452 Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 01:30 pm Owner edit
I will also offer at this point, the force of religion on Atheists, and why it's wrong.  You, the supposed holders of truth are, through power, forcing a sin upon others.  This is the part you never get, when holding extremist views.  Atheists have never attempted to take religion from the religious.  All they ask is that you keep it private and allow those who seek it, to be able to EASILY find it.  It shouldn't be hidden from view, but should not be endorsed as National = FORCED. If the founders actually held the same beliefs as Gouda and Shtal, it is glaringly obvious that it would have been written into the laws, explicity and in detail.  They were careful not to EXCLUDE religion but they tried to make clear it was not the same as the laws of civility, it's a PERSONAL choice.  Why must you erect Holy symbols on public property, forcing those who don't believe, to act like they DO believe?  And when anyone objects, you cry persecution, when there's a Church in the same block with a beautiful Nativity in the yard.  Then you try to force by majority, when that was the OPPOSITE of the REAL reason this country was founded.  How would you feel if every person who saw this agreed with it and it spread like wildfire?  How would you feel if others saw that it wasn't necessarily evil to be without religion?  That is wasn't the same as "worshiping evil"?  And all of a sudden the tables turned.  What if they started printing "There's NO God" on YOUR currency?  Can you imagine?  WE CAN!  Do we think it was an accident that "under God" was inserted just before "indivisible" in the Pledge of Allegiance?  Did it ever occur to you that "under God" negates "indivisible"?  But then you scream when Atheists won't comply and repeat such a treasonous phrase?  And the President of the United States of America actually states that he "...doesn't consider Atheist citizens, let alone Patriots?"  Are you starting to see the hypocricy?  Sadly, probably not.  We've been quietly living among you since long before Christianity.  We stand up for your rights, we applaud them, while you trample on ours in smug righteousness! The funny thing is, it's the Atheists who used to be pretty tolerant of religion, until they were forced to pledge allegiance to it morning, noon and night, when to them, it's a lie.  If the majority were Atheists, they would leave the religious alone, to pray privately, to your God, in peace.  You aren't a threat to them, in the unbelief, you're a constant annoyance and smug about it, make LIFE ON EARTH a hell for others.  You wouldn't threaten them as long as you left them alone to NOT believe.  They really do want to live in peace, trust me.  The BELIEVE this is the only chance they have of that and you continue to make it impossible to be the best it can be, in TRUE PEACE.  Can you not see that?  This is the best place to insert that question you always ask of us:  WHAT IF YOU'RE WRONG! The ownership of PERSONAL values should be respected, as long as it is within the confies of the law.  The Christians, over time, have inserted religion into government, claiming it to be Constitional.  Two examples, in particular, are the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God We Trust" on our minted coins.  The men who share the face of those very coins would be appalled to have their likeness etched in the same space as such a phrase.  They understood the danger and supposed that they were clear enogh to convey it.  But you twist the words like they're as obscure of the ones in the Bible and you snciker in smug satisfaction of your victories, when in reality, you should be ashamed.  Not a single person objects to beautiful displays on church property or on private property.  Now I, PERSONALLY, am not offended by Christian displays, because they are part of my history.  I was raised in a Christian setting and the majority of that setting was loving and positive.  These are my symbols as well, even with the religious signifigance.  But I also understand why it would be offensive to those who were raised in a different way.  It's not their history, it's not their beleif.  It means nothing to them and makes them feels like they need to hide that FACT, because Christians are not exactly kind to our "ilk". BTW, there is a Church in the Community that I recently moved back to after an 11 year absence.  The main artery through here is a State Highway and when I moved away, I still had to pass through here to get in to the City and Close southern neighborhoods.  Anyway, they have a live Nativity every year on Christmas Eve and it still stirs enough emotion in me to bring tears to my eyes.  It's the parts of Christianity I liked.  The parts where people were being peaceful, kind, caring.  I haven't lost those parts, but I will never accept the others.  Sorry. Your friend, in humaity Cindi
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judge not{ for Ruger1} by GSDtravels on 13 December 2011 - 00:12	GSDtravels Post: 2392 of 2452 Joined: Sun Dec 21, 2008 01:30 pm Owner edit
"Im certainly glad that you are basicly a good person, but let me ask you one simple question. If that was me writing that about myself,I would immediately recieve some replies,that its all about you isnt it." Gouda, please do not insult the intelligence of anyone with a brain at this point.  I'm not writing the Bible, I'm not asking you for your interpretation of my words, I know what I wrote.  I made it perfectly clear that it's about me when it comes to ME and it's about you, when it's comes to YOU.  That's pretty much the definition of privacy. You're so used to interpreting because nothing you read is concrete, that you can no longer tell the difference.  You've gotten so used to using straw men your thought processes are outside the realm of reality, as others see it.  Maybe that makes you a Mystic and if so, have at it.  But for HEAVEN'S sake, leave us heathens in peace, that's all we ask.
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judge not{ for Ruger1} by gouda on 13 December 2011 - 01:12

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Cindi If I bother you so much,why then do you read what I have to say? There are thousands of other subjects, pick one you like and leave me alone. No one is forcing you to even talk to me.Why are you doing it,please answer that question. Allow me to ask you a simple question,do you use drugs or drink a lot of alcohol,im not accusing you,Im just asking.  Im asking,because you have short periods of time that yuo are fairly civil and may I say nicer than normal.  It seems to last just  so long,than you go back to being your old self. Ive had experience with people like that working in a soup kitchen for street and homeless people in the city of Oshawa when I lived there many years ago. Im definately not accusing you of doing any of that,just asking out of curiousity.    gouda

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judge not{ for Ruger1} by gouda on 13 December 2011 - 13:12	gouda Post: 383 of 440 Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2008 10:28 pm Owner edit
Beetre wrote   You know Gouda, you never rid yourself of additictions, you just transfer them to something else. You need that martyr fix, every day, don't you just. Its a wonderfull  feeling beind addicted to Jesus,never any withdrawal symtons. Beetree you seem to know a lot about addictions,are you having a problem with one or two of them?  I f you are,Christ can set you free.    gouda

You can say all you want that you are not accusing but you are. Spin away master of spin and deflection.

I will  no longer reply to GSD.admin.Beetree, and Gsdtravels.

   gouda

I was praying that there would be something new this morning on the forum.
Sometimes his answer is no, there is always some lame ass excuse, reason or verse why.
ggtuners links are a good example.

I do not fit the definition of a troll by the way.......:)

The children, don't even get me going.

Someone way back said, the prisons are full of born again Christians, and there is no shortage of pain and suffering among the innocent that's for sure.

What's worst is that people don't take responsibility but rather say it's in the hands of God.
My neighbor once left their toddlers to play in the road, and told my mother who expressed concern that God was watching over them.
Then when one was almost killed and the driver almost died from a crash avoiding them, it was God's will.

BULL SHIT !!

This thread had it's answers in the first few posts, now it has a new life, off in another direction just as all of these threads started by gouda or Shtal, they are redundant in that way.


Moons.

Because I care.......:)

Allow me to ask you a simple question,do you use drugs or drink a lot of alcohol,im not accusing you,Im just asking.  Im asking,because you have short periods of time that yuo are fairly civil and may I say nicer than normal.  It seems to last just  so long,than you go back to being your old self. Ive had experience with people like that

So now, let me get this perfectly straight.  You ask if I'm using drugs or alcohol BECAUSE I have shorts periods of time that I am fairly civil and nicer than "normal".  But to you, it only lasts so long before I go back to my "old self".

So, in summation, you "see" behavior on my part (and please note here that you give no EVIDENCE of this supposed behavior) that is indicative of drug or alcohol use.  And this is posited just AFTER casually asking IF I use drugs or alcohol.  But you didn't accuse?

And you STILL have not pointed out where I have been civil and polite and THEN, go back to being my old self (which you also don't identify), insinuating that I'm NOT being civil and nice.

Now, since you have decided that you're not talking to me, that will BECOME your reason for not answering and pointing out EXACTLY where my psyche has had such dramatic changes.

Insinuating AFTER OR BEFORE giving an example of your evidence of such use, certainly qualifies as an accusation.  And as such, could be construed as libel, since you put it in print.

The major difference between us is, I challenge your ideas as being less than sound, whereas you make a personal attack on my character.  But, this doesn't surprise me coming from someone who hasn't had a thought of their own in countless decades, other than how best to avoid the truth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI9XnAaM8js&feature=related


  gouda
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A_jMCEYgUY&feature=related 

     gouda