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Not many I know with any ASL at all in their GSD's are doing IPO with their dogs, Kitkat. Who knows if they could do it or not, few try as far as I know.  Any biting at all is generally discouraged in the AKC world; My dog's sire is 1/2 GSL, 1/2 ASL, AKC CH dual titled in advanced OB, v rated, KKLI, Sch 3. Not many I know are interested in working that hard with their dogs and it is a lot of hard work to get any GSD that far BHOT or HOT.

I've never tried to train my dog in protection, long story behind her coming to live with me that was a huge factor in deciding my training efforts with her. She does have her AKC CH,  a BH, AD, and some AKC OB titles, but I will probably never try her in protection for reasons I won't get into that are not relevant anyway. Good luck with the IPO.

Prager,

Yes the Police dogs are often rejects from IPO.  That's why it's a test!  It identified the dog who was better suited for PD work.  Isn't that what a test is supposed to do?

Because of genetic variability of which details I'm not going to get into because it just muddies the water, out of each litter of titled proven parents, you will have a percentage that don't work, some that are the breed standard, and others that are extreme.  The percentages vary greatly depending on the bloodline and the individuals being used. 

None of this invalidates the titling as being a good test.  It's doing what it;s supposed to.  Keeping the work alive in the breed and identifying those who should be bred, those who should not, and even which ones are extreme.

Not a bad test overall.  I've advocated for years that being a certified working k9 is a title and should be put on the pedigrees same as IPO.

Anything less is a disservice to the breed.

" I've advocated for years that being a certified working k9 is a title and should be put on the pedigrees same as IPO."

It´s acknowledged over here...

I know, but they are not over here so everyone looks down on them.

I've even suggested that a PD dog should be allowed to KOER as well.  This way they would stay in the breeding pool.

As it is now, most of the PD dogs are not used for breeding.  Couple of high profile exceptions but the rule is once they become a PD dog, they are not bred anymore which just increases their reject status.

Imagine what this breed could be if we humans could put aside our prejudices and learn to work together.

prejudices? is that to pre-judge? I am an advocate for the SV system for breeding. I know, I know, there are poor specimens getting thru. I know , I know, some of you dwell on that as a reason to not particpate, ''you know I saw 2 bad trials, 3 bad judges, 4 bad breeders 17 dozen bad trainers, and 156 bad dogs [ standing on their head to make their face even redder] '' BUT I have seen too many good things coming from this breed to throw out the orginal sanctions for breeding. I think some one is prejudice when they pre-judge their dogs to breed without a third party peer review. A legitimate breed survey.

Don't you know that most dog people are dog people, because they hate people.

bz, I used to work with a fair number of GSD PD's when I was a tech. They were for the most part very trustworthy, easy to handle, sound and still got the job done during the city race riots and every other time they were called upon. None ever bit any of us just because they could. I think most were imported from Germany, maybe a few from the Czech Republic at that time. A few more were Am bred from a local showline kennel. I loved it when they came to the clinic for an exam or surgery. All the other techs were afraid of them so they gladly handled over their treatment and care to me. I feared the spoiled Dachshunds a lot more than I ever did those GSD's. The first dog I ever saw with titanium canines was one of those dogs. It give him a very convincing look LOL. I don't know about the current K-9's but if they are anything like those dogs, I'd have to agree that they should never be passed up as breeding candidates and should be recognized with at least a Koer and kept in the breeding pool. It's a terrible waste to not use them I think.

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Spin it anyway you want, Student, the bottom line is we are truly our own worst enemies.

I did not realize that PD's are looked down upon in the US. The GSDCA makes it a big point to honor the local leos and their dogs at every NS. Last year Gustav was part of that ceremony with a great dog he trained for a local police department. Everyone I talked to was very impressed with those dogs and their accomplishments.