royalties for titles - Page 10

What's there to know, can it turn in a big circle and walk funny, sounds simple enough?


what am i missing?

one breed, one standard. pay it forward

^ cute platitudes but it does not match reality. there is more than one standard and even more interpretations of them - that's fact.

there is an articld sorry i don't have link that there is enough genetic difference for show and working lines to justify them as different breeds and then there is an sv dog and an akc dog....etc sooooo are you smoking crack.


btw i agree in principle with what you said but i live in reality.

reality? fact?  no really, it is a fact, there is one standard. 

Showlines aren't the problem.  It's the showlines that don't work and title. 

I've worked some pretty nice German Show line dogs.  Tough and aggressive.  They're rare but they are out there.

 there is an articld sorry i don't have link that there is enough genetic difference for show and working lines to justify them as different breeds and then there is an sv dog and an akc dog....etc sooooo are you smoking crack.

 

Brilliant statement, vk.....I guess. Don't they teach the use of punctuation and capitals in Oz? 

   THIS IS FOR YOU BLITZEN;

This girl is ALL showline, half German Showline, and half American Showline, she Iis OFA GOOD, has her BH, and is going to the WDA trial this year for her IPO...I am so proud of her and her owner...

I have a waiting list for pups from her mother, from "SPORT"  people,

This is a dog that when I sold her, told the woman IF she gets a title, I will give her a free pup....

So, the comments such as the 'worthlessness' of showlines just  shows the ignorance the dog world is full of.

As far as royalties for the name, some of these breeders get them at the time of sale.

Yeah, the dog names in the pedigree add to the value, but the individual dog gains IT'S OWN WORTH

The cost of the pup should offset any "royalty" issues the previous owner has.

I guess it all boils down to your definition of work. 

I hear "puppies are a crap shoot" all the time. Mainly from people who don,t work there own breeding or only buy older dogs. 

I don,t pay for titles since i place my puppies(when i breed) in working homes at no cost. 

I,ve had many people ask me about purchasing a puppy from breeding of mine. I look at it differently, money isn,t the deciding factor in where the puppies go. Lots of people who want German Shepherd puppies have no clue and really don,t want what the standard calls for they want a German Shepherd that acts like a Lab or Collie. As a breeder one has to look past the cash and decide if the homes there going to are good and if the people are good enough. A breeder should take responsibility for what they breed for life. 

 

 

zdog:I'd disagree that IPO can't be a test.  Seems to have been doing a pretty decent job since it seemed to have spawned generation after generation of working dog worldwide. 

 1/Nowhere have I said that IPO could not  be test. But it is not sufficient test. As a matter of fact iSchutzhund  used to be test before it degenerated into competition. 

2/As far as spawning of "working dogs world wide"  I would make a slight correction. Even so sport people like to call their dogs "working" dogs the fact is that their dogs are actually quite narrowly specialized "sport" dogs. They are narrowly specialized dogs in field of sport. These dogs have only certain qualities what working dog should have even the German police parted with SV for that reason.  The problem with SchH and SV and IPO is that it has a firm grip on the breed and it is their way or high way, and they ram rod PC view of GSd and not what ist was originally intended it to be,  they do not promote qualities which warring dog should have and actually it fights against some of them.  For that reason whole training system of LE dogs and PP dogs needs to be tilted towards sport time training thus  the tail, wages the dog.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              The fact is that the best LE dogs are often and usually as a rule rejects from sport circuit. Thus why  should I pay royalty and promote something which is not what breed needs. 

 Prager Hans

 

" These dogs have only certain qualities what working dog should have even the German police parted with SV for that reason. "

This is nonsense - there are big and regular advertisements from several German police departements looking for dogs in the SV magazine month after month, not one single month without at least 4 - 6 big sized expensive demands - just take a look...

But, honestly, why should Germans sell their dogs to German police for 1500 €, as long as the Americans are willing to pay twice as much for a green dog ???

"The fact is that the best LE dogs are often and usually as a rule rejects from sport circuit."
Believing your own statements this would be impossible, because dogs out of generations of IPO/SchH dogs are no "real" dogs, and IPO is destroying the breed. Over here almost 100 % of the German Shepherd dogs are out of IPO / SchH dogs...

Think about your own words...

This thread is old, it´s boaring, people won´t change their mind - my personal opinion: If IPO/SchH is that easy, do it - can´t be that "big deal" for a real dog - it´s just obedience, nothing else - but it´s way easier to sell green dogs that only learned to bite ( no pressure, no out ) instead of training and testing them - no proof, but fast money - the dog looks like a German Shepherd ( okay, might be missing some teeth, but was never shown, so nobody cares ), is able to bite ( okay, it´s not able to out, but who cares? ), x-rays were never sent anywhere ( but at least the dog is x-rayed, and I´ll promise you that it will be able to do the job without health problems ) - You want to breed this dog? WHY NOT?

Sorry, had a bad day at work...