2011 USA Sieger Show - Page 10

Shelley,

The 35.00 fee is a one time charge. You can enter multiple dogs once the fee is paid as I understand the rules.

Louise,

USA has been clear about belonging to WUSV organizations. The WDA is seperate from the GSDCA. The GSDCA is a WUSV member, GSDCA-WDA is not. Your choices are to be a USA member, not a USA member but member of the GSDCA (as USA considers the GSDCA a 'competing' GSD organization even though they are a fellow WUSV member), or an SV member. GSDCA-WDA membership excludes you from entering the event.

Both organizations have changed the rules to create loopholes around the amendment. Co ownership is another option. One owner becomes a WDA member, the other a USA member and the dog can be entered in either sieger show. Both the WDA and USA do not require membership or dogs to be registered for local and regional events, except breed surveys.

None of it makes much sense. USA has taken an already overly complex system and added more complexity to the point where you really have to wonder if you CAN get a dog entered. Both organizations have worked hard changing bylaws, bending rules, creating loopholes, droping services that produced income, etc. so anyone that really wanted to participate could. With all the effort to circumvent the amendment and lost revenue. One would think along the way someone in USA would have said; wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. This amendment simply isn't working. It was a bad idea, let's change it back to what it was and get rid of all this baggage we created so the people can participate. Until things change, we have to do the best we can with the system created as a result. The amendment has been in place long enough that it's not likely to change anytime soon. It's best to stop arguing, accept what's done is done, and plan your program with the current rules in place.

If I have the choice of belonging to the SV, to USA, or to the GSDCA, I would choose the SV hands down. It, at least, has the legitimacy of being a breed club and a breed registry. Its  monthly magazine is far mor attractive than the offerings of the other organizations. With the SV, my dogs are included in its extensive database and their titles are internationally recognized.

Randy,

I'll bet that you are solely a member of the SV--neither a member of USA ir the GSDCA (with or without the WDA).

 GSDCA-WDA membership excludes you from entering the event. Is this accuarate, Mary?


You can bet that I may enter my dog in a real Sieger Sjow ( the BSZS) wihout my being a member of the SV or being assessed a surcharge.

Louise,

Actually to enter the sieger show in Germany you and any co owner of the dog must be an SV member. I'm not sure how the SV is handling the RSV2000 vs. SV debate there when it comes to entering the BSZ or BSP.

If I were to join the GSDCA with the magazine, the fee is $102--more than it costs to join USA. 

I will be damned if USA will get another penny of my money--even if I have to join the SV. If my entry in the Sieger Show is rejected, will I receive a refund of both the entry fee and the surcharge? Of course, I am SOL for what I have paid for my airfare, motel, and rental car.

Sorry was way from the computer.  Ted & I spent the day goofing off together.

It has been on the Sieger show website THAT you must be a member of one of the WUSV organizations in order to show in the USA Sieger show. It’s on the online entry form as well as on the hard copy entry from was there last year was well

I’ve posted it on the PDB many times. I don’t know how we can make it any clearer. YOU cannot entry the Sieger show without being a member of ONE of the WUSV member clubs.

The GSDCA is a member - WDA is not…

Shelly
Randy is correct it’s a onetime fee not for each dog entered.

Louise
GSDCA-WDA membership excludes you from entering the event. Is this accuarate, Mary?  YES

Mary D
USA Sieger Show Secretary

GSDCA-WDA membership excludes you from entering the event. Is this accuarate, Mary? YES

Even if you are also a GSDCA or SV member and pay the non member fee?

Guess I'll be joining the SV if I can charge the membership to a credit card online. I simply cannot justify  rejoining the orgaization that openend this can of worms. I'm disinclined to join the GSDCA --not even for the $66 without  the damned magazine.

Strange that everyone seems to think that the WDA is a conflicting GSD breed club. If my entry in the Sieger Show is rejected, will I receive a refund of both the entry fee and the surcharge?

Hell, my SV membership for a senior is 34 Euro, cost for shipping the SV-Zeitung regular mail is 15 Euro. I just printed the application for SV membership and will send it snail mail and ask the SV to apply the charges to my credit card.

So what if the SV charges 15 Euro for bank expenses? Just completed my application. Will mail it tomorrow... This is a matter of principal from someone who still has them.