German shepherd breeders specially ddr pls answer - Page 10

Reddingo
the dog must have had prior interaction to go after a person out of anger or aggression to dominate

that is what for you do train the dog - to gain understanding of innate dominance and aggression of your dog and work out ability to control/trig it up when needed.
i don't want in my GSD desire to go after deer or squirrel and see a human as a part of "hunt game". instead must be indifferent to a no threat possing objects but when it comes to, see an assailant/running away perpetrator not as prey prize but as a nemesis.

Valk, seeing that a dog has the inate desire to chase wild prey animals is also part of assessing the dog's instincts. Instincts are what need to be controlled and modified to suit the work of the dog. That is what I call " breaking the dog off prey animals". Believe me, a dog trained properly will not loose focus on the person being targeted if a wild animal crosses the dog's path.
I had a female that would kill a goat if given the opportunity.
During tracking training for schH one day, the goats had gotten out and even ate the bait on the track. They were scattering as she came up on the track where they were stealing bait. She totally ignored them and continued on the track to indicate all articles placed on the track.
Having the propensity to chase wild prey does not mean the dog can't be " broke off" the action of chasing while working.
All I'm saying is, a dog can have prey drive minus ball drive. Two different things.
A dog with herding instincts will often have the propensity to kill the animals being herded. Training is how that trait is overcome.

Good post red. If a dog is properly trained he will not brake focus on the threat on front of him no matter what is going on around him. Alot of people on this forum talk bullshit don't think half have had a dog with correct genetics,correct traning and definitely have never tested ther dog in the correct manner. I think we have a lot of dreamers and book worms

Agree with you yogidog.
I was thinking most of the people talking shit never had the need to break their dog off deer or any other hoofed prey animals, including horses. They have probably only worked in sterile environment with no distractions as far as the real world in the woods.
What pray tell would people who don't want a dog that has the inate drives to chase prey animals do with a dog that does, get rid of it and get a dog that they a capable of training, devoid of preditor instincts?
As a matter of fact, gsd are are the worst livestock killers of any breed.
TRAINING to overcome the instinct is required. Period.

Always good to see dogs working in different environments like the one with the helper in the tree. You never know when the dog may encounter that scenario.

yep, criminals regularly climb in trees lately LOL

When I was working/vonteering with 2 different police K9 departments as a quarry, we often climbed up a tree at the end of setting a track. Teaches the dogs to look up when track suddenly ends at a tree. Also in the building search scenarios we hid up in the shelving of warehouses so the dogs learned that the 'bad guy' could be hidden up high. This also presented challenges for the dogs' scenting as air currents often carry the quarry's scent somewhere other than the hiding spot, especially in big warehouses with overhead fans going. Good lessons for dog and handler.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Clinton_Correctional_Facility_escapeGood post koots. And when you think about it it makes sense.. Iv done this many a time when iv worked different clients. But if you live in a box you train and test in a box 😒😒

Have a read and you will see how important it is to have a dog searching high and low. Use of the nose is very important and very effective. This is what happens when dog is not correctly trained

Reddingo
Valk, seeing that a dog has the inate desire to chase wild prey animals is also part of assessing the dog's instincts. Instincts are what need to be controlled and modified to suit the work of the dog.

not all instincts can be useful in dog, bred for certain purpose. if you plan to use your dogs for hunt, well, then the drum into your hands.
it's just... GSD breed was never envisioned to be hunt dogs, even before official breed establishment. 
breeding a dogs, addapted for hunt, in fact you're developing different breed, withing existing breed. 
sort like show dogs - looks like GSD, have 4 legs and tail, even barks but nothing else left from original GSD breed.

b.t.w. main failure of experiment wolves crossbreeding with GSDs at zPS, was precisely predatory/hunter traits, albeit in everything else 
(health, strength, toughness) descendants were superior. but not suitable to be service dogs as GSDs supposed to be.