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by Hundmutter on 04 February 2017 - 16:02
Dunno, Bee; you may be right about the fad in China running its course. (Fingers crossed !) I can't remember (& don't have any computerised way of checking) which sites were looked at when we were all discussing this
phenomenon. Those sites were active and changing at that time - which I think was since I moved to this address, so its within 5 years. Maybe that is long enough to count as "years ago" / ancient history; seems like about 5 minutes to me ;/(
I would imagine that many of the breedings were not done BY the importer(s), but from bitches taken TO that German dog / dogs - could be by anyone, really, with any strange preferences. Stud dog owners the world over have always included those who are not very fussy.
There is more canine Genome Mapping going on; the UK has a project currently, but unfortunately GSD are not one of the breeds being featured in this first tranche. They are apparently scheduled to be included in the 2nd, starting, I understand, next year (2018). Maybe there will be a few more answers to relationships between Mastiffs and Shepherds out of that, or better tools for discovery of cross breeding ?
by beetree on 04 February 2017 - 16:02
I didn't say "extinct" as a breed, but literally abandoned and needing rescues because of a fickleness and change in popularity for ownership.
One can guess or imagine any number of possibilities but the proof of it, is another thing.
interesting reading:
by Lunastar on 04 February 2017 - 17:02
by Sunsilver on 04 February 2017 - 18:02
It's possible we can't access the Chinese website due to government restrictions. I remember hearing that one computer company was refusing to sell software to the Chinese because the government insisted on having a program built into the software that blocked access to foreign websites. Here's a Chinese dog in an SV show in China. You can see how heavy the head is..
Here's the pedigree: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=661015-dango-von-qishizhongde
He's a Cimi von Fichtenshlag son.
Oh, and check out his son...
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2301419-goetzo-von-xin-yi
You can see that it won't take too many more generations to get the really extreme dogs that no longer look anything like the breed we know and love.
by Hundmutter on 04 February 2017 - 18:02
Well because a variety of different 'Shepherd Dogs' were combined to start the German Shepherd Dog, there were a variety of body types & build, even then. While the Standard sets a 'medium strength, medium bone' preference, if some want(ed) to breed for increased size - in any lines - they could take larger specimens and gradually build up on that. There was a trend in 50s onward Europe to get ever bigger dogs for 'manstoppers' for PPD and LE work, never mind increased bulk in American Show Dogs. Some pet owners thought they wanted bigger dogs because that was what they saw around them, from the BYB market - they didn't know anything about the Standard. So you don't actually need to cross anything else in, you just need a bit of time.
by Dawulf on 04 February 2017 - 18:02
Cimi is in I think all of those Chinese dogs with the mastiff heads. At least that I've noticed. I've also noticed that Remo also produces an odd head type, IMO. Sort of a round-head, short muzzle thing.
by Sunsilver on 04 February 2017 - 18:02
by Kaffirdog on 04 February 2017 - 18:02
Going by what the serious CHinese breeders are buying up in Germany, I doubt they are breeding dogs like this, the fanciers of this type are almost defintielya splinter group as they do not appear at the regular shows under German judges.
Margaret N-J
by Hundmutter on 04 February 2017 - 19:02
Definitely BYB, btw; I knew his parents too. Quite how many generations removed from imported German stock they were, I dunno; but they were definitely GSDs, and both - especially his mum - on the large side, though not as big as their son turned out.
by susie on 04 February 2017 - 22:02
I am with Kaffirdog - the CSV breeds "normal" German Shepherd Dogs, and they spend 100 of thousands of Euros for imports.
For sure they like "big, massive dogs", but I doubt they are able to change a breed that much that fast without "genetic" help from outside ( some kind of Mastiff ).
That´s the official Chinese breed club, and there are no extraordinary massive dogs.
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