Anyone every own a Beauceron? - Page 3

I have worked and I do own a Beauceron.  My female Reveee des Mes Yeux Vigilants whos sister competed I believe at the Eukanuba Show.  I originally was just fostering her but bought her as she was such a good dog.  We started Sport work with her but due to sound sensitiviy(gun) she did not compete.   I put enough PP and control on her and then gave her to my daughter as a companion.  They now spoon each other in bed and are inseperable.   I have been to one Beauceron Journee and will be doing the Temperment Test at this years Journee.

Beauceron's compete in numerous sports including French Ring.  Overall a very nice breed to work with.   I believe(may have changed) that they are actually in the  Foundation Stock early stages of AKC registration.

Chris Orkies - vom GrimOrkie

GoldenElk,

I think you are on the right track when considering the Structural differences between the breeds.  

Being that the Gsd proportions are very different than the Beauc.   

The shepherds with deep chest cavities longer than tall.   Does put different weight bearing  proportions  on the dog in movement.  Now really  a Shepherd that is balanced Structurally according to original standard should still be able to carry the extra inch or two.  but,  I think it is really what is expected of the breed that would be more the limiting factor.   For the most part a good medium sized or average size shepherd is going to be much more flexible , agile, quicker on their feet, than a larger one, more stamina , ect..   

The beauc, dob, rott with a very square frame carries the weight more evenly distributed,  maybe not so much the dob,  with the huge deep chest cavities that they carry in comparison .  While the beauc.  could still do all the same work requirements, they  are more likely to do a routine  much like a dob. or Rott.    Maybe this is sterio typing, but the dobs, and rott's that I have seen do routines are not as light and quick with movement  and responses.   I don't mean this for all of them of course.  In my mind , I see a more lumboring picture. 

Really lets say there would  be very little difference between, a 27 inch GSD of Older proportions less angulation,  to a normal proportioned Beauc. that is 27 inches.  But, I would also, expect that they would both work about the same as well.  Of course, this is all hypothetical, because every dog is different,  no matter what the breed is .     You could have a really slow GSD, that is really small, and a rocket, that is huge and oversized.      same thing for the Beauc.

fun topic !

No Problem !  : ) 

I don't usually respond to most of the threads,  but this one was a fun topic.  LOL !

I am suprised no one else has joined in yet. 

If you are interested in talking to my neighbor, I could get her info for you.    

Her and I drove all over the place and did a lot of research together on the Beauc's , before she purchased any.    Her first female was imported from France.  I know she imported her male from ( Belgium )?     She had a female out of a (Swedish)?   import. 

I can't really remember which dog came from where, but they are nice dogs.   Last I saw any of her dogs, she had an incredible young Harlequin bitch, that I believe she was going to be showing.   She has done some agility , and akc showing with the older female from France. 

Heres Video of a Beaceron doing French Ring.. works nice

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr90jCkToP8&mode=related&search=

The double rear dewclaws are interesting. This is also required of Great  Pyrenees, another French breed.  AKC DQ's a Pyr without double rears. It's not just a trait of herding dogs. I had litter of Malamutes with double and triple rear dewclaws in 3 of the 11 puppies.  One had double front dewclaws. Very strange. I removed them.

The size difference from one breed to the next is  usually the result of the terrain and the original breed purpose. A GSD might need a lighter body and more agility to tend a flock in Germany during a typical winter while the Beau might need a heavier body for more strength in accomplishing it's tasks. There are very good reasons for the size and weight limits in every breed standard once you understand what is need to survive in the native climate without human intervention.

Thanks all for the responses. Ugly, loved the video, interesting to see the "between the legs" position of the dog in French Ring.

Jamille, I'd appreciate her info. Could you also ask her about various ear crop style? Is the Beauce only supose to have one style vs the Dobe that has show, medium and guard dog style? I really like the look of the dogs with upright ears. I wonder how much longer the French will continue to crop considering the recent ban on cropping and docking in Europe?

Blitz - that's interesting about the Mals having double and even tripple dew claws, I didn't know they were prone to that  strange.

Neither did I, GoldenElk. I had single rears before, but never doubles and triples. It was a half brother to half sister........gasp! No wonder 

Here is the phone number to the breeder that is 3 miles from me.

Her  name is Kathy  ,    765-325-2742

I am pretty sure , there is only one main crop for the ears,  no matter if they show or not. 

smiles  : )

hope you find one ! 

Beauceron are nearly identical in build adn temperment to Briards.  The standard is nearly identical and they were shown together origionally in France.   I've seen several tending, they are not as heavy as a GSD, about the same height but much squarer.  They can be very sharp.  The double dewclasws are required as they are in Briards.  They are quite agile and move easily though without quite the reach and drive of a GSD.  The Harlequins are very odd looking. 

Susan