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Black Show line female for sale
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son from SG4 IPO3 Kkl1 Freddi vom Modithor
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Nice Young female for sale
Female for sale


by susie on 07 December 2018 - 18:12

Yes, there are outstanding decoys in Czech Republic. ๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘๐Ÿ‘

But what is the "ideal" dog?
99% of all IPO competitors will never participate on National, not even on Regional events.
Sometimes it's the dog, sometimes it's the handler, and sometimes the dog/handler team simply doesn't fit.
And sometimes it's just a stupid decoy...

You know this very well, because you are the one who buys these dogs ๐Ÿ˜€ (been there, done that...).

I think (and that's just me, and I had to learn this, too): when the (hobby) owner is willing to invest time into a dog there is a real chance for a good owner/dog team.
Points are nice, but not necessary.

by apple on 07 December 2018 - 18:12

Thanks for making the links live.
It is just a snapshot, but I don't see anything that points to nerve issues. The male looks to be on the sharp side and confident. The female doesn't even look sharp, but rather man oriented more than equipment oriented. Were these IPO people you bought the dogs from experienced? I am curious as to why you think they thought the dogs had nerves problems. Is it because some IPO people just don't want to see any aggression in their dogs other than prey?

by duke1965 on 07 December 2018 - 18:12

apple, I work with IPO people every week, see this type of stuff alot, must say that nerves/nervous can and will be explained in different ways by different people

modern IPO training will result in correcting these type of dogs for agression/civil/aiming at helper or what ever you call it, so these dogs want to engage in wrong drive and are corrected for it, when stopped engaging, they get a pillow offered to bite, and  what you think happens, if bite its insecure and not full and calm, therefore, nerve issues

when I get these type of dogs and allow them to work however they feel like and praise them for it you see these dogs change real fast and not having nerve issues but modern training issues


when I started training dogs, I started at an all breed IPO club, where every dog was worked and approached to his possabilities and limitations, every dog was worked a bit different, afterwards in the clubhouse, each dog was discussed and work evaluated, 

ttoday, every dog must fit same system and there is no discussion but people are told what to do by TD


by susie on 07 December 2018 - 18:12

We seem to have the same agenda, I started at an all breed club, too (DVG).
All kinds of dogs, all kinds of breeds...
but one single question: HOW to reach the goal?
Helps a lot...๐Ÿ˜Ž

by ValK on 07 December 2018 - 19:12

seems a good dog in first video.
that girl in second video looks like already shows artificially developed "redirected" bite habit.
obvious split attention between agitator and sleeve.

by duke1965 on 07 December 2018 - 19:12

terminology LOL first time im working her with my helper after I bought her, allowing her to do what she feels to do, if you listen to my instruction to helper, building some frustration to the sleeve, improving her grips a lot,since previous bitework session where I bought her

but im fine with artificially developed redirected bite habit  Wink Smile

by ValK on 07 December 2018 - 22:12

what is wrong with terminology?
"redirected bite" i mean when dog has been let to discharge of build up from agitation frustration, on the object, other than agitator itself.

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