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by Allan1955 on 07 March 2020 - 11:03

The main problem with these flock guarding breeds as opposite to herding breeds is the level of obedience you can put on them.

As guarding breeds were bread to work alone, herding breeds were bread to work closely with humans. The ability to recall on high drive or out on a bite is virtuously impossible.

To have full control as a handler is essential both in sport or real work. This very high level of obedience is only prone to herding breeds.


by ValK on 07 March 2020 - 16:03

Allan1955 that's another myth.
i'm not claiming a good knowledge about that breed but as i said on previous page - from what i have seen, there aren't big difference from GSDs in obedience by caucasian shepherd dogs.
sure due to breed specifics one can't expect circus type execution, highly prized in today's sport but solid and reliable obedience absolutely achievable without putting in any extra effort and time.
in the obedience those ones, i have seen, did reach same level that our GSDs.
unfortunately majority of training video on youtube tend to show an aggressive side of temperament but here i found one, in which lady show interaction with her 1y.o. caucasian youngster and some basic commands which already have been taught.

by ValK on 07 March 2020 - 16:03

here is another, caucasian in comparison to dobi

by GSCat on 07 March 2020 - 22:03

Thank you, GK1, DuganVomEihenluft, Allan1955, and Valk.

Valk-- The videos were interesting and informative. The comparison with the Dobie was especially helpful. Based on what is in that video, I bet it would be really funny to see an Ovcharka doing agility weave poles ;-)





Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 08 March 2020 - 04:03

"Bet it would be really funny to see an Ovcharka doing weave poles" - thanks for that GSCat, I just snorted my breakfast cup of tea !!!

by Allan1955 on 08 March 2020 - 05:03

Valk what do you mean by another myth.

So have seen the reach the Ovcharka same level in obedience as a GSD or Mechelaar. You have seen them out on command right.

 

 


by NatureDragon on 08 March 2020 - 10:03

Doberman "Okay bud, I'll give you a 10, no wait, a 20, no no, wait, a 30 second head start!"

Ovcharka "Yeah bud, tell me that when a pack of coyotes shows up"

by ValK on 08 March 2020 - 15:03

GSCat
well, you do not expect an elephant to walk and race like arabian horse, did you? every species has own purpose and own specific to fit that purpose.

Allan1955
around have been heavily promoted an opinion about caucasian shepherd dogs as bloodthirsty, extremely aggressive dogs, which is exaggeration. they are just a dogs like a dogs in any other big breed and their temperament in general rely on selection approach in breeding.
from what i have seen and been able to compare to our GS dogs, we did have GS dogs with much higher level of rage in fight, who did turned out unmanageable during confrontation. lots of those youngsters was rejected as unsuitable for patrol dog role and ends up as watchdogs.
and yes, decently trained caucasian dogs, do an "out" command. at least those ones i have seen.

by GSCat on 09 March 2020 - 01:03

Hundmutter-- you're welcome :-)

NatureDragon--cute... thanks :-) (or a bear, or wolves, or...)

Valk-- I don't expect an Arabian to lift logs and carry them, either ;-) Although both elephants and Arabians are trained to dance on hind legs in circuses ;-) I hadn't seen Ovcharka compared with Dobie (or GSD or Sibe or etc.), so I enjoyed learning from the video. The person interested in CO doing sports thought it was very helpful and has to decide whether the breed or the sport is more important, or whether a slower (and far less graceful) performance in sport is OK due to the dual interest...  ...at least the sport wasn't Dock Diving, Disc Dog, Agility... ;-)

Allan1955--were the unmanageable GSD 2nd Line/predominantly 2nd Line? Most handlers have no clue what to do with a handler-aggressive dog, and that is a characteristic known to show up sometimes in dogs in 2nd Line.
 


by ValK on 11 March 2020 - 09:03

GSCat
ok, but the point of video isn't to compare agility of two dogs but to show trainability and subordination toward handler in execution of commands by the breed positioned as wildly aggressive, predominantly stubborn, to another breed, a well known and used as service dogs.

if someone looking picturesqueness of performance on sport field then obviously that person should go with much smaller, physically more flex breeds, such like mali, border collie.





 


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