We had to fantastic litters after Esco - and it was horrifying that the owner wanted to sell a dog like this to a country were the people in fact do not like dogs for what they are. Persons who sell a dog like this to PAKISTAN is only looking for money !! For what we mean - maby the very best son after Arex and maby one of the best producers that never was given a fair chance.. Shame to the owner and the breeder for selling him - a really fantastic male that could have been a fantastic producer for all the breeders in EUROPE !! Words are not enough...

Esco mated only three females in Pakistan, one litter was dead soon after birth, and one litter of three pup survived. I have kept one male for myself, will post picture later

Is is any offspring after Esco in Pakistan?
And how are they look?

DEAR MR.SINGH,

THAT S THE ORIGINAL PROBLEM I LIKE THAT DOG TOO MUCH I WANT TO BREED HIM BUT THE OWNERS DESTROY THE DOG TOTALY FOR THEIR EGOES N PERSONALTIES,THEY FORM A BOGUS NATIONAL KENNEL CLUB(BOGUS) HERE IN THE PRESENCE OF KENNEL CLUB OF PAKISTAN WHO WORKS FROM MANY DECADES ,IS IT HAPPEN IN ANY AREA OF THE WORLD TWO KENNEL CLUBS FUNCTIONING IN ONE COUNTRY ,CAN U ASK THE QUESTION FROM MR.IMRAN WHY THEY FORM BOGUS CLUB?THEIR REVOLUTIONERY FOUNDER MEMBERS SH UMER, MIAN NAWAB LEAVE THE CLUB BECAUSE THEIR IRREGULATRIES N OTHER DAMAGES TO BREED THEIR OTHER TOP MEMBER TAUSEEF VEHARA PRESENT AT OUR SEIGER SHOW N HIS DOG SHOWN THEIR BY OTHER NAME , NOW TELL ME IF THEY R ON RIGHT PATH THEN WHY THEIR TOP MEMBERS LEAVED THEM N JOIN US ,I M ONLY WRITE HERE FOR THEIR MIND CHANGING N FOR THOSE WHO R NEW N THEY DONT KNOW ABOUT ALL THINGS PLEASE ASK THEM ONLY ONE QUESTION:WHY THEY FORM THE CLUB IN THE PRESENCE OF OLD KCP.

Hi Guys:

Take your fight somewhere else. Fankly we have heard enough and don't care to hear any more. Tiny, if you don't like the dog, don't breed to him and don't get any puppy from him. Enough!!!!!

Ajay Singh

I THINK U HAVE NOT ANSWER FOR MY HARD QUESTIONS FOR THIS REASON U WANT ESCAPE ,YES SV GIVE US RELEIF IN SCHH N IN HIPS, BUT WHICH THINGS SV GIVE U ??????
ITS SAME LIKE NORWIGEON KORUNG?
MAY BE SOMEONE JUDGE UR SHOW WHO S SV APPROVED JUDGE BUT HE CAME HERE WITH SV PERMISSION?
PLEASE TELL ME WHY U FORM THIS NEW CLUB N I THINK U R ALSO SHOW UR DOGS IN KCP CAN U EXPLAIN ME WHY U PEOPLE CREATE THIS FUSS WHATS THE REASON BEHIND ALL OF THIS .

Tiny, dont care how harder you try you cant take VA1 (PAK)Title from Esco, as he was judged by a SV licience Judge.
Secondly,in your club to rate a dog as VA,it should have an SchHIII title !!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, you keep telling people, they give a dam about you,and your thinking. REST IN PEACE

i never said it for esco he s a bad dog but i still want to tell everybody, in pak how it can possible two seiger?if in any part of the wold it happens please give me the answer

Well said Mr Tariq. A good specimen dog will remain a good dog either shown at SCP shows or KCP.
SCP is a new club and with time it will grow and good females will also be add to the breeding stock.

warm regards

Imran Zia

Well there can be nothing taken away from a good GSD whether he is Esco or Ubor. The fact that his ownership resides in one club or the other does not reflect on the quality of the dog at all. So let us not belittle either of the dogs, no matter which club our loyalties belong to. At the end of the day, hopefully, all of us are GSD lovers.And the dog should always win and be appreciaed.

Any dog who has become VA1 three consecutive times in Norway is bound to be amongst the top representatives of the breed. True test of the GSD male is always his progeny and for that to take place we need to give him atleast 16-24 months of production. Let us all wait and see how his contribution to the GSD breed in Pakistan materialises.

The fact remains that this dog is owned in Pakistan by a member of the SCP. Additionally, the reality is that this particular club does not have the top GSD bitches which is very apparent when one sees their GSD Shows viz-a-viz those of the GSDCP.

Historically, this shortcoming has manifested itself both in their breeding program and choice of purchase and imports. This is also reflected in the progeny of their various VA1s over the years. So the long and short of it all is that Esco, without doubt is a good specimen, needs good breeding bitches which the owning club (SCP)does not have currently.

Intention of this comment is not to fuel the fire but to cntribute an objective point of view.

Tariq Razi

Well there can be nothing taken away from a good GSD whether he is Esco or Ubor. The fact that his ownership resides in one club or the other does not reflect on the quality of the dog at all. So let us not belittle either of the dogs, no matter which club our loyalties belong to. At the end of the day, hopefully, all of us are GSD lovers.And the dog should always win and be appreciaed.

Any dog who has become VA1 three consecutive times in Norway is bound to be amongst the top representatives of the breed. True test of the GSD male is always his progeny and for that to take place we need to give him atleast 16-24 months of production. Let us all wait and see how his contribution to the GSD breed in Pakistan materialises.

The fact remains that this dog is owned in Pakistan by a member of the SCP. Additionally, the reality is that this particular club does not have the top GSD bitches which is very apparent when one sees their GSD Shows viz-a-viz those of the GSDCP.

Historically, this shortcoming has manifested itself both in their breeding program and choice of purchase and imports. This is also reflected in the progeny of their various VA1s over the years. So the long and short of it all is that Esco, without doubt is a good specimen, needs good breeding bitches which the owning club (SCP)does not have currently.

Intention of this comment is not to fuel the fire but to cntribute an objective point of view.

Tariq Razi

pplease tell me ,is ur breded dogs can participate in sv events ? if they can then i m sorry but there s nothing like this then why u fool all people at ur side

Mr Tiny, all the comments here under are useless when the person on the otherside does not have a clue what is he talking about. No club is a member of SV, all club are members of WUSV which is the main authority. Please update yourself as your club elders have failed to update you on such issue. Beside this I do not feel the need to discuss anything further with you. There are other things on the forum which might help you improve your knowledge & your impression.
Best of Luck with SV related club

yes mr. imran zia , i contact sv till my information ur so called club no affilated with sv n they dont reconised ur club n they not accept ur pedigrees also tell me m i wrong?

Mr Tiny or whatever you are. I wrote very clearly the Judge's name as well as his SV Licience. Now , what makes you think he can come here & judge the show without SV consent......
CONTACT SV PLEASE

CAN U PLEASE EXPLAIN ME THAT JUDGE COME TROUGH SV HE SUBMIT THE REPORT ABOUT UR SHOW IN SV WHATS UR CLUB NAME N IT S AFFIALATED WITH SV BECAUSE I SEARCH IN SV BUT ABOUT UR SEIGER N UR SHOW DETAILS R NOT AVAILABLE BUT THERE S DETAILS ABOUT PAKISTAN SEIGER SHOW JUDGE WAS HANS PETER REIKER N SEIGER WAS UBOR HOLTKAMPER SEE U CAN CHECK IT FROM SV

The Judge was Collin Frankel (SV Judge) South Afrika
Rest search for your self

who says he s va 1 o5 in pak ,who judge the seiger show ?any sv judge?
the actual va 1 05 s ubor holtkamper see judged by mr.hans peter reiker in islamabad

Can anyone tell me if it is any good dogs after Esco?

Well Imran, the question is really if this male have an Kkl1 or not?
The norwegian "körung" (no bitework) does not count for an Kkl1, and I can not find any evidence of him obtaining an german körung - Kkl. It is of real interest for us in scandinavia as this male have made three times Auslese in Norway (VA1 2002, VA3 2003 and VA1 2004) without having to show any bitework.

The Körung from Trondheim on 10.02.2002 was an ordinary Norvegian Körung, not an International Körung (Kkl). The judger was Liv Evjen.

Imran:
Judge on this korung?
Can you tell me that?

Hi,

Well the place is TRONDHEIM, Actually it is in a different language so I have problems reading it,Let me write in for u this way

Arrangor : Nschki ard Nordenfjeldsue
Sted : Trondheim on 10.02.2002.

Hope it helps u

Imran Zia:

Can you please let me know where Esco obtained his Kkl1?

Esco is a wery good male,and he breed wery well.Take look at he`s dauther Fella av Vinnvarg.She is wery good female after him.
Or what????

Did he obtain this in Germany?

He obtained his KKL I on the 10.02.2002.

he is currently with me in Pakistan.

A friendly question:

When did he obtain his Kkl1?