Is titling / breed surveying a GSD really useless? - Page 5

You have defended your expertise on BH...are you aware that many people buy dogs with BH only, then work at titling them...because BH is half the work towards training. So in my attempt to be clear that I trained and Titled the BH myself, you both have gotten worked up over BH not being a 'title'...and yes, just look how many dogs are for sale with 'BH title' only !

I didn't get worked up over it. I am not sure where you see me getting worked up over BH being a Title or not. Never even said anything about the BH. These were my words:


I have to agree with BW. SchH is not pedestrian. Maybe when it's done at  a local club level but at the higher level it takes a certain type of dog and a serious amount of work to actually get there and hold your place


I wasn't being defensive in the least. Nor did I get worked up. I simply disagreed with you that SchH isn't necessarily pedestrian.

BW. YOU epitomize what is so completely wrong with the sport of sch in the USA. It doesn't matter what a private citizen does with their gsd, it won't be good enough for the likes of you. And for your information, you don't matter one bit in the big picture...you're just a keyboard wannabe...you wannabe so important, but you are nothing. You can't even be affective teaching because of your hatred for others.
Barenf, I don't know you and don't care one bit what your opinion is regarding me or the sport of sch or the gsd breed.

Geeeez, can we all calm down a bit? I really didn't attack you or your abilities. All I said was that SchH isn't pedestrian at the higher levels. I'm actually admiring your skills and would love to see what other animal training you have done. Who knows, maybe for you it is pedestrian because of your skills. To others it isn't but thats not something to get upset over. I've never ridden on a bull/cow either. If I had a choice between the Rodeo Arena and IPO, I'd probably choose the arena over IPO too. :)

Can't we just have a normal discussion without throwing insults around?

BE come on...you've played the forum game long enough...when you run out of facts, or real reasons, you resort to insults.

'If I had a choice between the Rodeo Arena and IPO, I'd probably choose the arena over IPO too. :)'

I did both. Made a good living for 30 yrs training and performing with animals of different species. Chose to do sch with my dogs for fun/hobbie, not profit...

 

BW, everything I've stated is fact. Everything.

 

Susie…you see how it’s an uphill battle. If you value the information you receive at a trial from a judge, the information you get at a show from a judge, and the information you get through a breed survey…you’re called names and insulted while those that don’t do any of those things sit back and claim that they don’t need that information because they already know it and they’re much better evaluators of dogs than the people that look for objective opinions since they can definitely be objective themselves without needing any of that. They’re breed masters, they don’t need anyone else to tell them they’re doing it right, they know they’re doing it right…without actually having anything real to prove it.

They’ll find every which way to belittle those that do it the right way, while ignoring the truth about why they don’t do the things themselves. IPO titles are pedestrian, no one that does things matters one bit in the big picture, we’re “keyboard wannabes” if we discuss doing things the right way (and do them the right way). The truth is…these breeders need to keep it a secret that everything they do is due to money. Stud fees aren’t worth paying when your dogs are just going to get sold to random pet homes anyways. Why travel and spend anything extra when the home will be the same no matter what? Try to find the few suckers on the forums that will buy a dog from you because they feel some sort of “kinship” with you through months or years of posting back and forth.

They use words like “hobby” and “non-profit” to make people feel good, but the truth is…10 puppies at $2000 a piece, is plenty of profit. No one actually cares that you made a dumb decision to get ripped off by some guy in Europe and bought a dog. It should never fall on puppy buyers to cover the costs of a breeder taking a risk in order to bring in an animal WITH THE INTENT to make more money off that animal. It’s a bad investment. A good one would be…breed your own stud dog, train, title, show, COMPETE, prove his worth, campaign. Hard to do when you lack training skills though. Easier path is through the internet. Companies make bad decisions all the time…customers aren’t expected to compensate them just because something didn’t work out.

Oh...and don't get me started on this unspoken "breeders fraternity." If you even dare to talk about their secrets, say anything negative about another fellow breeder (even if it's just pointing out the facts), you're ostracized and never recommended by anyone ever again. 

When the title haters are still in business 10 years later selling multiple generations of their own lines without dipping into someone else's hard work of titled stock and they sell to non pet homes that's when they will be taken seriously and not have to resort to being internet breeders and rely on the gullible dog forum newbs for customers.

VK  taking this part of your post and yes it is out of context do you know of any breeder or kennel that has done this  still in business 10 years later selling multiple generations of their own lines without dipping into someone else's hard work of titled stock 

I think it would be pretty hard for anyone any where to do especially now.

Who are the 'title haters' here?
I've trained and sch titles on three dogs. How many have you titled?