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by khlewis on 29 November 2012 - 17:11

Hello All,

I wanted to submit this message to warn people about purchasing a dog from Bob Kress at Bleuhaus Kennels in Hudson, MI.  I recently had a transaction with Bob and it went completely wrong.  He is located about 6 hours from me and when I emailed him interested in one of his dogs he told me that he was unable to deliver that far away.  Several weeks later he emailed me back saying that he would be traveling through the area in a few weeks and could bring the dog with him.  I agreed to this (as well as a delivery charge) and told him that if he could deliver that I would happily send a deposit to hold the dog.  I sent a deposit for him to hold the dog until delivery and he sent me an email confirming that he had recieved the deposit and that the remaining balance would be due upon delivery of the dog.  A few days before he was supposed to deliver he emailed saying that for personal reasons he would be unable to deliver the dog.  He told me that he would be happy to send my deposit back.  I told him that I would be going to a show closer to him in a few weeks and asked if that would be possible.  Well, the show was canceled and I did not attend, so that did not work either.  Also, he informed me that the delivery charge would be MORE for bringing him to the show (even though that was half the distance of the original delivery plan).  I emailed him several time since then asking if/when he was going to return my deposit and it has now been 2 months since the deposit was sent and more than a month since delivery was supposed to happen.  I attempted with emails and when that did not work I called and left him a voicemail on Monday 11/26.  I did not recieve a response in any way, so I attempted to call again today (11/29) and his wife answered the phone.  I told her who I was and that I would like to speak to Bob.  She gave him the phone and when I explained who I was and asking if he was going to return my money he said "OK" and hung up on me.  I gave him the benifit of the doubt thinking that maybe he got disconnected and called back.  His wife answered the phone again and proceeded to cuss me out calling me a BIT** and that I was harrassing them relentlessly.  I tried to explain the situation and she would not let me get a word in edgewise.  I finally ended up hanging up the phone before I lost my temper with her as she was simply ranting and calling me names.  

I have a few breeding dogs and my German Shepherds are also my beloved pets.  I feel that Bob Kress broke our agreement of deliverey and I am entitled to having my deposit returned.  I realize that deposits are generally non-refundable, but in these circumstances I would have refunded the deposit and I would expect that of most reasonable people.  In addition to being non-repsonsive to my emails and calls his wife has also now told me that I cannot have the dog.  If they are refusing to sell the dog to me and have broken our agreement about delivery don't you think I'm entitled to a refund of my deposit???  

I think that these people are true CROOKs.  I will never be dealing with them again and I would discourage others from doing so as well.  Obviously they are not very professional and do not keep their word.  I especially like that he put his wife on the phone to fight his battles instead of being MAN and doing the right thing.

Responses are welcome, I'd love to know everyone's opinion!!

by hexe on 29 November 2012 - 19:11

File a case in small claims court.  Frankly, I can't believe you'd even consider purchasing a dog from a breeder whose facilities you'd never seen--I am immediately suspicious of anyone who offers to deliver the dog to me instead of having me come to their location.  I want to see the condition to dog has been living in, what the parents of the dog are like [if they are on site--might not be the case for an adult dog].

That said, I don't know that you ARE entitled to your deposit back.  Yes, this individual cancelled the initial delivery, therefore breaching your agreement, and at that time he did agree to refund your deposit.  Instead of taking the money and running, YOU made a counter-offer, and a NEW agreement was entered into: that YOU would be traveling to the show and taking delivery there, on that specific date, and it would seem that when you suggested that, you didn't factor in what the plan would be if the show was cancelled [what sort of show is cancelled at the last minute these days, anyway?].  Since the show WAS cancelled, and you DIDN'T take delivery at that location on the agreed-upon date, now YOU have breached the agreement, not the breeder, and that could possibly mean you therefore forfeit the deposit. 

I think your entire transaction was badly handled and sloppily constructed from the start, and it may be that you need to chalk the loss of the money to a 'stupid tax' payment.  You failed to provide yourself any protection when you made an agreement that was casual at best and didn't give consideration to the potential delays and misstarts that could arise when delivery of a dog is being negotiated.


by khlewis on 29 November 2012 - 19:11

Thanks for your response, Hexe.

To clarify a few things:  I offered delivery at the show as a possible solution, but we never came to agreement on it.  He wanted more money for delivery (and also didn't know if it would even be possible) of half the original distance and that was not acceptable to me.  So, there was never an agreement for delivery at the show and then it was canceled about 2 weeks prior, which I emailed him about, but I'm guessing he never read that since he emailed me 2 days before the show asking for more money.  

Today I have offered to come all the way to their home and pick-up the dog personally and pay the remaining balance due.  From my phone conversation with the wife I am going to say that they will reject this offer as well and if that is the case I feel that I am entitled to a refund of my deposit.  

I completely agree with you that this has gone very badly and I do not generally agree to delivery of the dog unless I am purchasing from someone that I know (and believe me I won't be doing this again).  I have all of our communication via email saved to help protect myself and show what correspondence actually took place.  I have also pulled my phone records to have proof that I have not been "harrassing" them as the wife has claimed.  

Thanks for your input and please let me know if you have further suggestions!!

by bcrawford on 29 November 2012 - 20:11

How did you make the payment for the deposit? I'm hoping with your card via PayPal.


by khlewis on 29 November 2012 - 20:11

Unfortunately I sent the payment via postal money order, not by credit card.

J Basler

by J Basler on 29 November 2012 - 20:11

Well their is another fine kennel i am glad i don't have to do this research all by myself. I could hold my breath longer than i have been on this pedigree data base and i am finding their is more unrepitable breeders than repitable breeders so far. Mmmm no wonder the animal rights people want to make it illeagal to be in the business of breeding animals. The Breeders are handing the ammo right to the animal rights people. Ok people break it down and prove me wrong. One day the government will step in and outlaw all breeding and more breeds will become extinct.

by khlewis on 29 November 2012 - 20:11

And I just recieved a voicemail saying they are refusing to let me take the dog and also refusing to send my deposit back. Who does business this way??

by Bob McKown on 29 November 2012 - 20:11

I agree with Hexe, file it in small claims court in Hudson MI.

by khlewis on 29 November 2012 - 20:11

Thank you everyone for your input!  I have contacted the local sheriff department here in KY and their sheriff in MI.  I have also contacted their animal control officer.  The wife left me a message saying that if I contacted animal control on them that she would do the same to me.  My response to that is that is fine.  I have a kennel liscence and know my animal control officer and have nothing to hide here.  

by bcrawford on 29 November 2012 - 20:11

Never, ever, ever send money to people without someway to get it back if they fraud you.

The safest way to do business with people that you can't go choke the living shit out of if they rob you is to pay them with a prepaid debit card via PayPal. Don't link your bank account or VISA/MC/AMEX. If they won't take PayPal there is usually a reason meaning they are just wanting to screw you anyways.

Then when someone does not uphold their end of the deal you file a claim with PayPal. If they pull all the funds out of their PayPal account you then dispute the charges with the PrePaid Visa bank. PayPal will be hit with a charge back which makes them very upset and then they go after the other person and usually dock your PayPal account the fee for the chargeback. Which I would gladly pay PayPal 35 dollars+ to get back my 300 to 500 dollars.

If the other side involved is truly doing you this way then take your copy of the money order to the court house to submit with your claim. You will have to pay a filing fee. Usually around 50 dollars. He will be served and have to answer the summons. If not you will then be able to get a default judgement in your favor for the amount due, plus the filing fee and intrest for the past 60-90 days on the amount. I know in my state unless there is a signed contract outlining otherwise the maximum you can charge is 5% per month. All states have one of these.

Once you get the judgement you can attach to personal property such as this persons home, autos, dogs etc and force a sale of that property to satisfy your debt via the courts. If their is income from a employer you can have those wages garnished. It's the law and there is no way around it.

However, since you mailed the funds to this person and allegedly this person did not provide for your payment -- Mail fraud comes to mind which is rather sticky. If you found this person online and the arrangement for the sale/depost etc was conducted electronicly it is even more sticky.

I will look up a FBI site that handles fraud cases for fraud that were conducted over the interenet. You then will have a federal case against this person if in fact everything is as one sided as stated.

I will link that to you asap.






 


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