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by Rik on 25 August 2022 - 22:08

probably best if I stop going off topic on another thread.



I'll probably have to get some of the health checks redone in the U.S. before PDB will recognize  them, but that's a good thing.




Q Man

by Q Man on 26 August 2022 - 09:08

You WILL have to re-do the DNA Test for AKC to accept it so you can register a litter if you're gonna breed her...
AKC has to have their money too...


by GSDHeritage on 26 August 2022 - 10:08

Rik, this a Czech dog of what I found on Workingdog site was tested for Hips and Elbows.


If a dog is Imported from another country and tested in the USA by a USA Lab it needs to be Verified on OFA. 

by duke1965 on 26 August 2022 - 10:08

Rik, which FCI health tests does AKC not recognize please,

by Pirschgang on 26 August 2022 - 10:08

Very nice dog, Rik.
I've been interested in Xerxes progeny.


by Rik on 26 August 2022 - 19:08

hello duke, I don't know anything about AKC except I can get a goat through all their "health requirements". and they are not a member of FCI.

despite all the research that anyone can do and never discover, they do not seem to be a "for the benefit of the dog" organization.

they seem to be a privately held organization that exists solely for the profit of the owners. It's buried pretty deep, but at the end of the day, and the show, it's a private held organization with profits going where?

somebody educate me.

it's pretty sad that PDB has chosen the AKC as the standard bearer for the GSD.

at least FCI is an organization made up of dog folk.


by GSCat on 27 August 2022 - 02:08

In the US, AKC is pretty much the standard for registered dogs and what people look for.
In Canada, CKC (and AKC since so much back-and-forth across the border and the larger market in the US.)
In Greece, Greece Kennel Club, etc.

Different requirements for registration in different countries. Also different requirements for breeding and registration of litters. Some registries don't recognize other registries because of past or ongoing issues.

OFA posts results publicly, so anyone can access.
Other places do not, so Admin here can't verify.

I like that PDB only posts/allows verifiable info, because otherwise everything would be suspect, and therefore, useless. This site is extremely valuable because trustworthy and because of the people on the forums that are willing to help.

AKC is focused more on conformation and everyday sports than serious working dog-related sports. Sadly, this has contributed to the myriad ASL GSD (and some other breeds) issues.
PSA, USCA, WDA, USFSS, ISDRA, etc. for more serious sports in the US. AKC will add titles from specific awarding bodies to registrations. They also award titles (performance and conformation).

Some of the AKC money helps with education of pet owners and the public. FWIW, AKC has provided me with far more benefit than what it's cost me.

Q Man

by Q Man on 27 August 2022 - 09:08

RIK: I ONLY register my dogs with AKC because it's what Americans know and want in their dogs...
I didn't know AKC wasn't a FCI member BUT they only accept FCI member registrations into their data-base...I also know that...as stated above...To register and breed and register a litter thru AKC you have to do DNA thru AKC's system...then Will Not accept confirmation from another organization...like DNA actually entered onto a SV Pink Papers...
It seems as though AKC will register anything if you pay for it...Like a Goat...


by Diamondgal on 27 August 2022 - 15:08

To clarify, the United States, Canada, & Greenland are not members of FCI.


Now. Let's talk registries other than FCI. AKC, UKC, CKC (Canadian), ANKC (Australian National Kennel Club), KCGB (Kennel Club of Great Britain), NKC (National Kennel Club), NZKC (New Zealand Kennel Club), IKC (Irish Kennel Club). Each one of these have their own set of requirements for everything. Either: like & accept it OR find another registry. IF there is NO registry to your liking - CREATE ONE.


by Hundmutter on 27 August 2022 - 16:08

DiamondGal, the trouble with 'creating' Registries is they have bugger-all power in re the dog breeding & exhibiting world. There has always been a tendency for the 'established' dog people to run with whichever is their own country's national KC. Which in turn gets recognition by other countries.

All that GSCat noted above re AKC applies equally to the United Kingdom's Kennel Club ( and also to the Scottish & Welsh KCs as sub-divisions); if any national KC was to also join the FCI you'd have thought the UK would, since FCI started in Europe and we are still part of that continent, irrespective of leaving the EU Common Market. But we just have a 'reciprocal agreement' with FCI to cover registrations and Show Regulations. Does not look like changing any time soon. 

Other 'registries' are mostly held in contempt; because they are generally just a vehicle for generating profit. While we may say the same of the major 'national' KCs, they do [at least, ours and FCI and I think to some extent AKC]  put back into the sport by administration, running of some Shows (eg Crufts, Westminster), provision of facilities, donation to scientific research in dogs' interests, international negotiations with other countries Judges, etc etc - none of which the smaller registries could compete with in scale or finance, even if they WERE run by people who really cared about providing dog owners with a serious alternative (rather than making a fast buck off 'Registration' and puppy sales ads).  The money creamed off to Members of the British KC as a 'gentlemans Club' is the price we pay for having those things done, which are more important to some people in dogs than to others but true nonetheless.


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