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by von Clausewitz on 31 January 2021 - 17:01

Is the adult's murmur so obvious that a typical general practitioner in Serbia would detect it? If not, you have no case against the seller. Unless of course you directed the seller to perform specialized diagnostics pertaining to the heart, which I doubt was the case.

The real travesty here is a vet euthanizing an otherwise healthy puppy, that may have had the chance to live out whatever amount of life it had remaining--whether that be weeks, months, or years. For God's sake, let it live out the rest of it's exciting puppyhood and drop dead on it's own accord. Oh, but that would take ALL of the fun out of having a 200 thousand dollar education, wouldn't it?

by hexe on 01 February 2021 - 02:02

von Clauswitz, in what alternate universe are you living, that anyone would refer to a puppy with mitral valve disease severe enough that the cardiologist recommended euthan asia for that pup, as being 'otherwise healthy'? There was no reason to put such a puppy through the gradual slide towards death, which would likely not come as a sudden and immediate passing, but instead end with the pup struggling and fearful as the heart failed.


by Hundmutter on 02 February 2021 - 03:02

Also, I think Rik nailed it: there looks to be something wrong with the Serbian-end vet's report, either a competence or an honesty issue, if the bitch has " mitral valve displasia and two other issues ".

If there had been an exam on arrival, these would surely have shown up quickly enough to realise there were also likely to be problems in the puppies. And the OP would have grounds for arguing he'd paid for a female in good health.

mrdarcy (admin)

by mrdarcy on 02 February 2021 - 04:02



by Rik on 02 February 2021 - 06:02

also, it was a good question whether it was an issue that would show up on a routine exam or would only be discovered on deeper exam by a specialist.

the heart murmur in the pups was detected by a general practice vet, and I don't think it matters whether the vet was in the U.S. or Serbia. competence is competence, no matter the country. I lost a young dog to gross incompetence by a vet in the U.S. and it was a horrible ending for her and me.

I,m not sure whether the issues the adult female has were or not easily detectable on a routine health exam for shipping.

It does seem pretty clear the response of the seller, barring further disclosure.

and things like this happen all the time, doesn't matter the country. it's the breeder/seller, especially when someone puts enough trust in them to buy sight unseen. which is the worst of all possible ways to acquire a dog that will be a part of
someone's life for the next several years.


by DuganVomEichenluft on 03 February 2021 - 09:02

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mrdarcy (admin)

by mrdarcy on 03 February 2021 - 11:02


by Rik on 03 February 2021 - 14:02

thanks mrdarcy, I tried blowing it up and using a magnifying glass but still couldn't read.

the next question I have is are these issues that would show up in a routine exam? if it takes a specialist to discover them, then that is probably not going to show up on a health exam for shipping.


by DuganVomEichenluft on 04 February 2021 - 07:02

Wow! That report is so sad. I, too, wonder if the dog had symptoms that could have been identified by a routine exam.


by Hundmutter on 04 February 2021 - 11:02

'Mild' doesn't help much; usual external signs of mitral valve problems would be dog getting breathless and 'fainting' from time to time at exercise / work. (I had a dog like this). But it depends on whether that was happening / whether the breeder saw any sign of it; and that depends on how much she was being exercised in Serbia. Some breeding dogs are not kept well, do not get enough exercise, are not Worked, etc. (Not just Serbia, that !)

If the breeder did not see this, ever, and his vet was unable (for whatever reason) to spot it, (and if the other two [also mild] problems did not alert the vet either) then I suppose it is possible the breeder went ahead and mated her in ignorance.  That presupposes, of course, that no family history of problems was known, either.

And so far we know nothing about the sire.


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