by duke1965 on 08 November 2020 - 13:11
johan, swedish program is, for as far as I know, working with a rotating system that decides which males, breed which females,(correct me if im wrong) this in itself is good foundation for faillure, as you have to match every breedingcombination beginning with evaluating genetic qualities of the female, and select a male to match/improve,
randomly breeding available males to available females will not do the job
in regard to less GSD being bred overall, there is a HUGE community right now breeding non pedigree dogs for production of policedogs, that are responsible for large part of todays LE dogs
by Rik on 08 November 2020 - 13:11
the concept is the same though.
by duke1965 on 08 November 2020 - 14:11
by ValK on 08 November 2020 - 15:11
Rick, perhaps theoretically it's same. but i believe professional and knowledgeable approach to breeding as it was practiced in Germany would definitely give much greater quantity suitable for needed purpose dogs than breeding in family with purpose to witness the "miracle of life".
also, i don't know precise numbers but seen estimates from half an million to over one million dogs in possession of German Wehrmacht. i doubt US Army at that time was even close to that quantity.
by Hired Dog on 08 November 2020 - 16:11
The breeders in the USA are more focused on breeding for purposes other then work, even though they call their dogs working lines, because there is money in that type of breeding.
When a Government is looking to purchase several thousand dogs a year to supply to its many agencies, it has no choice but to accept crap dogs that no one else wants.
Some of these dogs will end up biting their handlers, thats a fact, some of them will not work, despite all the training.
Since there is no world wide or even a National standard, everyone who breeds dogs for LE, breeds what their idea is, not what agencies necessarily want.
This is an issue that will be resolved soon because like I said earlier, patrol dogs used as offensive tools will soon be a thing of the past, with all the lawsuits and complains and society becoming what it is.
I do like what Duke said as far as breeding dogs with no papers for police work...police dogs do not need papers, they need the proper temperament and drives.
by johan77 on 08 November 2020 - 17:11
The swedish military breedingprogramm aim is to have a closed population of about 80 females and 15-20 males to better be able to controll the selection of breedingdogs. Don´t know what you mean by a ""rotating system", as far as I know they select the best dogs from the best litters that is better than the average in their population, they use some kind of index method to select the breedingdogs for workingability/charater.
by duke1965 on 08 November 2020 - 20:11
by duke1965 on 08 November 2020 - 20:11
Hired,one of the reasons IMO why USA finds it harder and harder to get good dogs is that they get to picky about many things, they miss out on many good dogs for wrong reasons, like chipped tooth, short tail, castrated, tipping ears and so on and so on, also the amount of dogs rejected on xrays is growing every year, they refuse xrays that will be accepted by everybody else, and I could go on for a bit
by ValK on 08 November 2020 - 20:11
breeding dogs with no papers for police work
i found this remark about not documented dogs strange and somewhat confusing. i don't really have problem with such dog's status. after all, only 1 out of 6 my dogs had officially credible and acceptable paperwork.
are those undocumented dogs are pure bred or mutts?
i know that this dog was used by Turkish police for breeding with pay for travel and other expenses, albeit officially it's not GS dog because no SV or equal documents. whatever such cases today extremely rare and almost impossible to find even in former East European countries, where even dogs today have become valuable commodity.
if mutts, then that is way into nowhere because impossible to have any predictability and consistency in such breeding. mutt litter might have 1 suitable for LE dog but what happens with remaining litter mates and what gonna to be used in next mating?
by Hundmutter on 09 November 2020 - 02:11