Apparently the truth is VERBOTEN in the WDA? Questions about eligibility . - Page 1

Hi,

After trying to get clarification for some friends from the "Official GSDCA WDA" facebook page  regarding 

the necessary qualifications for:

Entering , Competing and ultimately having won the National IPO/ FH Championship , in April,

and

By Laws REQUIRING WDA Club Officers to be members in good standing with the GSDCA

I was "booted " from the page for my queries

.   Why now?  Maybe it struck a nerve?

I guess questions regarding the truth are not allowed on that page. LOLOL

 

From the questions I have been fielding, I understand, there is a red flag being raised regarding the 

winner of the FH/IPO Championships (WDA) , as well as eligibility to be VP of the WDA?

Have the By Laws perhaps been changed?     Does the Entry Form for the aforementioned Championships,

where GSDCA membership is stated is a requirement for that competition, not apply to everyone, or all the time?

I have had several people asking me why the VP / Winner of the Championship does not appear on the Membership Roster

of the GSDCA?     I really don't know.

Can anyone out there clarify this?   People , and rightfully so are waiting for clear answers.

I have not dog in this fight , so to speak, but I did promise I would try to find out.  

Appreciate any insight here..  it is difficult when the people in charge not only refuse to engage in the conversation, 

but try to keep the whole subject under wraps, or so it would seem.

Perhaps the WDA leadership has forgotten that the GSDCA is still "Big Brother" to them (not in the Orwellian sense) and it is ONLY 

because of the WDA's affiliation with the GSDCA and the GSDCA's MEMBERSHIP in the WUSV, that they are able to be

recognized, world wide.    So when requirements state "must be a member of the GSDCA"  it should mean precisely that, one would think?

Or is there an addendum to the By Laws and rules that says "everyone must comply except the leadership of the WDA?"   I rather doubt it.

As a refresher, I have taken this quote directly from the WDA website:

"Through its relationship with the GSDCA and their membership in the World Union of German Shepherd Dog Clubs (WUSV), the GSDCA-WDA is able to offer internationally recognized events and programs to its members."

I am getting at least 10 private emails a day from WDA members that have questions about this.  I started off just asking for some friends  who's hard drive went kablooey.    Whatever.   As they say the truth shall set you free. Also if the Winner of the Championship is actually ineligible...boy that has got to suck for the owner of the 2nd place dog...yikes.    Honestly these should be easy to answer and I am getting tired of all the emails.  

Victory,

I think it is presently a contentious situation. Maybe you have missed that  the GSDCA has voted to drop the WDA and the two are no longer affilitated with each other. There are many issues that need to be worked out right now, one being the eligibility of the WDA National's winners for the World Team Qualifier at the end of this month. My guess is that they will be allowed to compete at the qualifier and I think they should be allowed to compete. The mismanagement of the WDA by Dan Yee and his cohorts shouldn't affect the competitors this year. Going forward it may be different. Your question probably did strike a nerve. Give it time and I think all of us will know more.

This is from the official homepage...

SUMMARY OF TRIAL ENTRY REQUIREMENTS:

IPO3 & FH CHAMPIONSHIP REQUIREMENTS

Handler must be a member in good standing of GSDCA and GSDCA-WDA (or a pending member)

Dog must be AKC registered (or pending) GSD

GSD must be free of disqualifying faults as outlined in the Breed Standard

All handlers must be a resident of the United States

IPO1 & IPO2 REQUIREMENTS

Entry does not require GSDCA-WDA or GSDCA membership; however IPO1 & IPO2 Champion must be GSDCA-WDA members

Dog does not have to be AKC registered

Any registered GSD may enter

Handler may be a resident of any country

Please note that Non-WDA and Non-GSDCA members may compete in this event. However, they would not be eligible to represent the GSDCA or GSDCA-WDA at the WUSV World Championships. The National IPO Champion, FH Champion, Universal Sieger and Universal Siegerin will be the highest scoring WDA member

 

There are not many people competing in IPO in your country.
That said I really think it would be a shame, if the best dog/handlerteam would not be allowed to represent the United States only because of some bureaucratic nonsense.

 Susie has state the applicable rules, in "black and white."   Personally, I do not consider it bureaucratic nonsense fpor an organization (and its membership) to follow its/their own rules.  It is called "sportsmanship."   Sometimes, it is inconvenient.  Nevertheless, I wo uld expect an officer of  any organization to be held to abiding by the organization's rules, particularly, when the individual is also a LEO.  

The question is whether those rules will be applied, or not.   Clearly, per their own rules,  the first place competitor cannot be the "winner" of the championship, nor be a member on the Team.  Ergo, that person should not be eligible to compete at the Qualifier/Selective for the Team members.  However, this is "dog politics," so, even without the current "dust-up" between WDA and GSDCA, I'd be surprised, if the rules were followed.    But, I could be wrong, and indivduals with integrity may opt out of their own accord, in view of the clearly stated rules. 

Mystere, is the winner member of WDA or not?

This document was updated Tuesday, 29. of April 2014 17:38:55
http://www.gsdca-wda.org/documents/pdf/helper/nationalhelpers042614.pdf

Any fights between GSDCA and WDA shouldn´t compromise a trial and its results, that´s what I call "sportsmanship".

The winner is also head of the helper board. a few weeks before the national trial all wda helpers was asked to sign up for the national,world qualifyer. 

i have hear allready weaks before that that the helpers are set for the trials and that the the head also would start on the nationals and allreday have his helpers nominated. had a few talkes with DY about that and a few other people, i told them what is going to happen and like i told them it happened than on a so called telephone conference. he have get his helper in. normaly we would say that is a conflict of intrest,, or maybe Sportsmanship,not at the WDA. How can a Compeditor ( head helper board) decide who does Helper work for the Nationals, he should say by him self that he does not get involved in the selection because he trials by him self this year.

 

The WDA have show on more time  that some people can do what they want. Finaly the break is here and some peole maybe get smart and try to start fresh and clean.

It is up to each member and club to decide if they want take more of this bull .... and pay only the bills for the rest of so called inner circle.

My club have give the WDA regional trial back and does not support in any way the WDA any more. 

Does really someone belive that they follow the written rules!!!

 

 Susie,

The  WDA's own rules clearly state that the winner must be a member of WDA AND  GSDCA, as well.  Also, please remember that, as a NATIONAL OFFICER, VICE PRESIDENT, the same individual was required to be a member of GSDCA, even before the Championship was even scheduled.   "Sportsmanship" is abiding by the rules.   Violating the rules is not sportsmanship; it is unsportsmanlike conduct, the same as entering a trial with a "ringer" dog, or a phoney scorebook, stepping onto the field with a toy in your pocket,  or hotdogs in your mouth during the heeling pattern.  Mind you, there are not even concrete rules prohibiting those last items, yet I think we can all agree that it is "unsportsmanlike conduct" to engage in those behaviors.  This has nothing to do with the current fight (or whatever) between WDA and GSDCA, so that dispute does not compromise the trial or its results.  The only thing that may compromise those are the WDA's adherence to its own rules by its own officers, or not.

 

"Ringer" dog= a doppleganger for the dog actually entered, who may be better in protection or Obedience, for example, than the dog actually entered.   I have seen a "competitor" who did OB at a championship with one sable dog and substituted his other sable dog for the protection.  Those of us who had trained with him recognized the "ringer," because he had a "dead tail," and the  other dog did not. 

Staatsmacht--     Absolutely correct!!

So you are looking for a formal error, because you think that the winning handler cheated ( by choosing the helpers ) and you are not able to proof it?

Don´t misunderstand me, I neither care about the dogs involved nor their handlers.
My question, because I really don´t know ( as a German I´m simply not used to the US rules)  - do I have to be member of WDA AND GSDCA ( paying to BOTH ), or did I become member of GSDCA through member ship of WDA?
I know they are fighting right now against each other, but how was it BEFORE this ridiculous fight???

BOTH.