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DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 15 April 2006 - 22:04

What are a few opinions on breeding dogs with "Fast Normal" or OFA "Fair" hips? I have my opinion but interested in other people's that are into GSD's.

VomFelsenHof

by VomFelsenHof on 15 April 2006 - 22:04

Will use "a" fast normal, but won't use OFA Fair. In fact, I prefer to not use OFA at all. They're unreliable at best. The other thing is, you have to look at the dog as a whole. Not just that dog's hips, but the hips of his/her siblings and those of dogs the past 5 generations, HDZW, pedigree, conformation, temperament, genetic disorders, and all the things that make up a good dog. Take a look at Jeck Noricum! If he had not been bred because of his Noch Zugelassen hips, we would be out a BUNCH of top dogs!

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 15 April 2006 - 22:04

thanks for input... I agree at looking at whole package but just interested in hips for this posting.

by makolady on 16 April 2006 - 00:04

If breeding an "OFA Fair" or a "Fast normal" dog I would look for a mate that had hips rated better. I would not breed two dogs with OFA Fair or Fast Normal. Also look at the hip ratings of the dogs in the pedigrees of your two potential mates.

Bob-O

by Bob-O on 16 April 2006 - 01:04

I agree with Makolady. You should always breed "a" fast-Normal and OFA fair to "a" Normal or OFA good. You should always "breed up" and away from hip dysplasia and other issues. But, as VomFelsenHof stated, it is important to also examine the HDZW of the dog/bitch, as well as the ancestors. A dog/bitch with a rating of "a" Normal or OFA good can still have many ancestors and siblings with borderline hips and can produce borderline hips in the progeny higher than the average of 19% (value is from OFA statistics). That is where the HDZW number becomes important in predicting the outcome of the progeny. I own dogs and bitches with OFA good, OFA fair, S.V. "a" Normal and S.V. "a" fast-Normal. They are all breedable provided the mate is carefully selected-as a mate should always be. In conclusion: Breed an OFA fair of known ancestry to an OFA good of known ancestry. Breed an "a" fast-Normal of known ancestry to an "a" Normal of known ancestry. Always breed up to reduce the failure rate. Bob-O

Brittany

by Brittany on 16 April 2006 - 01:04

DesertRangers, IMO.. I would not breed to a dog with OFA fair hips. This is for the benefit of the breed and for the protection of the breeder, if one of the puppies from the sire/dam with OFA fair hips get hip dysplasia. I would also Not breed a dog with HDZW 99 and up. this isn't the way to improve the hips in our beloved breed. We would be suffering alot with the recessive genes.. I believe we should focus more on the health then what the dog looks and etc, It's just a responsible thing to do.

by LuvCzechDawgz on 16 April 2006 - 03:04

I agree with most of what others have said. Brittany you've got a lot to learn in just going by the ZW's and simply basing it on "OFA Fair hips". So many times even dogs with A normal hips and a history of A -normal hips as far as the 5th generation still throw bad hips dogs. Some dogs in fact have produces hips better than themselves and have had a consistent ratio of doing this. So to avoid a dog because of this would really suck. One should consider the entire dog as well as look at how he/she is producing in hips as well as siblings. Same goes with any other imperfections a dogs must have. Just because the dog isn't perfect in one regards doesn't mean it should not be bred. That's just my opinion on it and despite others may object to it, I'll stick with my convicted thoughts on the matter.

DesertRangers

by DesertRangers on 16 April 2006 - 03:04

Thanks for all of your opinions. Despite some differences of opinions, which we will always have ;you all have seem to have the best interest of the GSD as a primary goal of your breeding's. Bottom line everyone needs to be very careful and selective and always learn from both positive and negative results. No one wants to see a dog suffer from HD. thanks again

by crhuerta on 16 April 2006 - 03:04

Had a female Rottie. OFA fair at 2yrs and one week old...kept copy of x-rays. Re x-rayed her again at almost 7 yrs old....had vet compare....nearly identical x-rays!..no change. Vet was Dr. Link in Madison. I'll take one of "those" OFA fair hips anytime!

Sue-Ann

by Sue-Ann on 16 April 2006 - 03:04

Interesting topic...here's an example to consider: OFA excellent female with two (2!) sisters with displastic hips and elbows, yes 8 bad joints. My bet is she won't produce the breed average for normal hips...your guess? OFA fair male, produced 500+ puppies and one (1!) case of hip displasia, known to be injury related. OFAs repeated at age 4 = OFA Good, OFA repeated when the dog was neutered at age 10 = OFA Good. Which dog would you use in your breeding program? The difference between fair, good and excellent, noch zugel, fast normal and normal is so subjective, I wouldn't discount any dog based on someone's opinion beyond normal vs displastic. My kennel produces about 2% displasia vs the breed average 17%. The OFA excellent dog was offered to me to replace 2 displastic sisters. I declined.





 


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