Why Do People Breed GSD's W No Titles And KkLs???? - Page 1

What is the point of showing your dog as a young pup till it gets to the18-24 month old class, Then you stop and just breed the crap out of it. Also telling people that the parents are SchH1 or 2,3 and not telling them that the dogs dont have their KkLs. This is so important for the breed and people just dont care, its all about the money. why??? why ????

Its more imortant to the sport then the breed...
schutzhund is not the be all end all. at best its a sport and a choreographed routine.
i have seen many of police dogs worthe breeding, ring sport, knpv, psa and there are no Koerungs for these.

Also to note-it costs a small fortune these days to obtain titles, koers, etc.,- I think more would comply if the process was a little more user friendly. Can't offer any suggestions on how to improve it, however.....it's just one of those things! jh

 What is good for the sport most often isn,t good for the breed, That being said if you look thru some of the breeds most outstanding  producing lines you will find untitled non kkl dogs. But one should aspire to always benefit the breed,  I do disagree it would benefit the breed if all dogs were Titled and KKL but I,ll look at the dog before I look at the titles.

I believe there should be working-title and conformation-rating requirements for breeding.  Schh1 and G in conformation rating is the current minimum requirement for SV - I follow these guidelines - KKl is not required by SV but is a good "bonus" for a breeding dog to have IMO.  As a breeder I would certainly consider Police K-9, Herding, SAR certification, or advanced obedience etc as working titles for my program.   I think anyone who says Schutzhund is not a good test of the dog for breeding, is making excuses as to why they themselves are not breeing titled dogs in their program - excuses as to why they cannot or will not title their own breeding dogs -

If you know what you are looking for, there are plenty of excellent working dogs, balanced in drives and temperament, working in the sport of Schutzhund.  If you know what you are looking for, you can find excellent breeding dogs in the sport.  Just don't look on the podium, for the most part.

molly

 Well stated Molly.

A Koerung without a SchH title would be like a ZtP (Zuchttauglichkeitsprüfung) which is fine, but I am not an advocate of it. It waters down the breeding requirements and gives people more excuses not to title their dogs.
Yes, some dogs with titles should not be bred and other dogs without a breed survey are definitely breed worthy.
But keep in mind that working titles (other than SchH which was initially developed as a breedworthiness test) are done in competition or work and usually have nothing to do with breedworthiness under the SV system of working and survey breedings.
A breed survey also checks the dog's correctness (dental, size, structure etc.). This is simply not guaranteed when you breed to a workingdog (without show rating and survey). And if you are going to tell me that it does not matter I beg to difer. It certainly does matter if a dog for example has full dentition, a correct scissors bite, is over- or undersized and - if male - has both family jewels. All these aspects are taken care of in a breed survey.
But here in the U.S., it is up to the informed buyer to purchase a wellbred puppy or not, since there are no requirements set forth other than what the individual breeder voluntarily does.
Chris