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by giblaut on 15 September 2008 - 02:09

The protection test at the Sieger show is an instinct test and a temperament test--it is not a training test or a test of control. I thought Furbo showed great enthusiasm and no signs of lack of nerve or courage.

 

Is it what I seek in my dogs? No--but then I am not seeking to have dogs with VA conformation.


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 15 September 2008 - 02:09

Shelly, Furbo supposedly passed his IPO 2 already.  His performance in that clip makes me wonder how he managed to do that, when his handler had to hang on to his collar to keep him under control!

This is the Sieger show, for heaven's sake, to many people THE most important venue in the world for showcasing our breed's talents.

Forgive me for expecting something a little more polished!  


Mystere

by Mystere on 15 September 2008 - 05:09

The name-calling is uncaled for and inappropriate. Show dogs or not, these dogs are, as show folks point out incessantly, TITLED. It is NOT too much to expect a decent performance test from them, complete with the control that was supposedly present when they obtained the titles. The attitude that "they are show dogs," and therefore excusable and/or incapable of decent/acceptable performances perpetuates the schism that we all, supposedly, want to bridge.

steve1

by steve1 on 15 September 2008 - 05:09

Sunsliver and Mystere

If this Dog is a titled Dog and i can only guess he earned those titles in the USA, I do then wonder at what really goes on in the selection or judging over there, Because that dog put over here going for his tittles would have scored very low indeed and probably not got the title, In Fact i would say that if it made more mistakes on the whole programe of the three phases lookking at that performance it certainly would have not got it

My Dog Fred is far better controlled but even now i do not think he is quite ready for SCHh1, but looking at that video He would sail through and  he could if allowed to,take his ScHh2 30 minutes later, that is in the USA, not over here he would not.,

to go for his SChh 2 over here it will take another 5 months work at least, if he goes for something ,barring a really bad day i so not want to fail 

I can only comment on what i see , and guess how it works from videos you folk put on in the USA, here its much harder and the Judges are certainly not forgiving of anything that is fact, and thats the right way it should be

I am not going to argue with any member on this, i only go on what i look at then judge the difference from the USA to Belgium.

Steve


Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 15 September 2008 - 07:09

Steve, take a close look at Furbo's full name: Furbo degli Achei. Now, does that sound American to you? Why are you assuming the dog was trained in the United States, then? He and his trainer (and his kennel of origin) are in ITALY!

Sheesh! There are lots of things we can blame the Americans for, but this ain't one of them!


steve1

by steve1 on 15 September 2008 - 08:09

Sunsliver

Really sorry about that a big boob on my part , It was the post of Missa that made me reply to it, in the first place seeing i was not going to post here any more,

 it was printed in capitol letters as if the Dog and handler had done a great job, when looking at it they had not, well not that i thought so.

If that Dog has titles then i wonder how he got them, I know full well that if any handler over here had his Dog do the things this one had done, then they know full well they have a fair bit of work on there hands,  and they would take that Dog back to the basices to try and stop the habits he had picked up, But to be honest few or any here would allow it to get to that stage

I am pleased to think the Folk in the USA are more astute than this one for i think the World Championships over in the USA, will be a great one, and i would give my eye teeth to be there watching and learning from the great Dogs and handlers which will take part

Steve


pagan

by pagan on 15 September 2008 - 08:09

I am very dissapointed .firsly i think the judge should not have been allowed to judge .And extremley dissapointed thet Quenn was not there .He is at his best and would easily have taken the Seiger .I find it very dissapointing .I like Furbo very much was dissapointed in his protection work .


by titbit on 15 September 2008 - 08:09

Every one is sayying that Quenn whould have been the sieger, then y is he not. he had the best progeny, good dog over all, and then vice sieger form last yr. Why was he not shown then. This certainly is not the reason that Vegas came up. he himself is a deserving dog for that position, but only due to small progeny group as compared to Quenn. But then the other aspect of this dog are much stronger.

If Quenn had those capabilities then he should have stayed back to prove it. Quantum lost to his Son, but did not quit from the fear that his own son will defeat him for the first position.

I like quenn personally and was expecting him to be the seiger with Vegas on 2nd position.Over all better dogs from last year in all the classes.

 

 


Shelley Strohl

by Shelley Strohl on 15 September 2008 - 14:09

So he was a little dirty after the out. So what? Like I said, its not a trial, its a show. The dog's performance was acceptable under the rules... and that's that.

SS


by m_zaki40 on 15 September 2008 - 14:09






 


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