TWO DAY SHOW - Page 2

The rule to stop people taking photos of their own dogs is silly, but perhaps GSD Club of Scotland want to stop photos being taken for commercial gain? Correct me if I am wrong, but the photos taken seemingly for free by Fardogart will eventually end up in a Year Book type of publication which will be forsale in competition with similar publications produced by GSDL and the Breed Council. The books author will profit from this venture.

 If this is the reason for the ban, then perhaps its not as silly as it first seems?

Zac

KAREN CHARLTON [ZENTRUM GSD'S]

Zac

I dont know who, if anyone was profiting from this handbook

this is part of the e mail I received, re: advertising

Zac

If I am correct the book is likely to be none profit making. I have been told that the book would be something on the lines of the Photo Irmu Books with photo of dog, 3 generation pedigree and critique. the cost to publish the book would be around £40-£45 each but that if profit made from advertising goes back towards publishing costs this would allow the book to be sold for around £20-£25. A much more affordable price and something I'm all for

Linda B (Korzwin GSDs)

Sorry to keep harping on, lol, but I was told to send a cheque payable to the GSD Club of Scotland by the end of April, is this now a non starter, is the handbook cancelled, if FARDOGART are not doing the photo's at the show, how can they publish the book???? It would be nice to have advised the advertisers what was going on.

Book or no book who is going to come up to you and tell you not to use a camera.As Sue B says what can they do.

Many may want to take photos of the great Scottich views,that's   if  they actually attend the show now.

The German Sieger (biggest Gsd show in the world) does  not  TELL people they cant  take cameras etc into the show ground.

This doesnt affect Urma sales...but i do think we are talking about a photographer on a different scale (no offence).

Still waiting to hear the reason why.

Hi Zac,

Having being involved in both the aforementioned publications over the years let me tell you that producing a yearbook, especially one containing lots of coloured photo's is not a cheap process. It involves an investment of many thousands of pounds up front for the books to be produced before being available for sale, and I would advise any one individual contemplating such a venture to prepare for a very slow return on their investment. These type of publications can hardly be described as ever "Flying off the Shelf", not by any stretch of the imagination and now with such a diminishing show scene there is becoming an ever dwindling number of exhibitors left to sell anything to.

Anyhow, in the scheme of things what does any of this have to do with informing the ordinary exhibitor / spectator that they are forbidden to take photo's? The majority of photo's I have used over the years in my BC and GSDL handbooks have more often been those taken either by ourselves or our friends, than those taken by a professional photographer. In which case one could argue that advertisers would be less likely to advertise in the  BC or GSDL handbooks through lack of photo's.

The best photo's taken for me recently were by Zep (Mascani) at a show, with his own camera and sent to me via email free of charge, for which I will always be grateful. I was at Crufts all day surrounded by photographers but I did not get one single photo taken of my female or myself with my German friends or Zamp from anyone other than those taken by Lisa, her mum, her dad or myself, despite the presence of professional photographers in the ring. So if we hadnt been allowed to use our camera's I would have no personal memories captured ....Point Proven, methinks !!

Regards

Sue B

Cue  -  Secretary of the 2 day or one of the committee approved to speak by the rest..... better sort things out quickly, its rumbling on to spoil the show - and its the responsibility of the ones that made the rule to sort it.... can you imagine the lovely atmosphere at the evening party??? if this carrys on? - let alone the ones that turn up at the show.....

I have not received a schedule, and this was the first I noticed today when logging on - but seriously, seriously, if we cant hold what should be a premier GSd show in the UK without people getting their knickers in a twist about photography for goodness sakes - what are things really coming to.  Lin Patterson at Fardogart has offered this publication, and I was away when it became up for grabs that you got a place in the book.  I missed my chance unfortunately, as all the ads were spoken for as planned in the book - however, I was so keen to take part in such a "first" and in such good quality with a photographer that has proven her expertise in the photography of our breed, that I have been waiting in the wings for some-one to cancel or the like !!!   This perhaps suggests that the publication would be popular.

I had no demand made on me to buy, and if I buy one (which if it now gets off the ground I most certainly will, whether Mascani gets a place or not) then I wlll purchase at my own FREE WILL AND DECISION !!!  -  where on earth is the problem.  Do we ask Urma if he is profiteering?  As long as we get a good job, and we are offered the book without a demand - what on earth could be the problem.

Please Secretary - organise your committee or yourself to sort this out on this board - before you are ringing around asking people to enter the 2 day show.  I accept we all have to ring round for our other shows sometimes in the year, but you could be causing a first in the drop of interest in the premier event, and all because of - well - no-one knows yet...... 

If this were my clubs Ch show - I would be bending over backwards to put things right quickly.  Mo Lakin - Mascani.

hi penny (mo) i dont think it is about them making money from a book or anything else its about telling exhibitors that they cannot photograph their own dogs at the show  why would taking pics of your dogs stop people from buying a book with photo's of the show i dont think it will but what it might do is stop a lot of people from going to the national because of this stupid rule after all a dog show is about the dogs and as exhibitors we are entitled to take pics of our dogs

jim h

Hi Mo,

In total contrast to your feelings on the matter I have to say I read your post above with much trepidation !! Correct me if I am wrong but what I now understand you to be saying is that the dogs / advertisers appearing in this 2 Day Yearbook has already been decided in that it was offered  'Exclusively' to 'Selected' kennels by Fardogart !   If this is correct  then I think this is just as diabolical as well as a travesty !!  I am afraid that unlike you Mo, I certainly would not be purchasing a Yearbook with such Exclusive Advertisers and cant imagine (other than the advertisers themselves) why anyone would to. I purchase the Urma book every year without fail but that's because it contains EVERY SINGLE EXHIBITOR, not an elitist pick.

If it is a 2 Day Yearbook how can the decision on who to include be taken before the show has been judged??  I certainly did not receive an invite to publication but then that neither bothers nor surprises me but what about the Newbies to the breed that may be attending the show, did anyone think of them?  No wonder our show scene is rapidly dissapearing down the sink hole, with such 'Elitism' now been extended even into the world of advertising.  Tell me how many advertisers are to be in the book and I bet I could name almost everyone of them, such is the sucking up, back scratching and fornicating these days.

Should the GSD Scotland Committee decide to do a photography 'U' Turn, I ask myself do I really want to travel such a distance and pay out all that money to attend a show Hosted by a Committee with a Mindset to even think of such an attendance condition of 'Not taking photo's'? This Welcoming Committee makes you feel so Warm and Invited before you arrive or even enter don't they - NOT !!.  Wonder what other little surprises they have up their sleeve to embrace you when you arrive??   

Regards

Sue B