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by leeshideaway on 18 December 2012 - 17:12
If they persue attempts at disarming - it seems like there will be more violence - not less.
Perhaps they feel they have enough power and media control to pull it off and make US gun owners & patriots look like terrorists.
Perhaps they feel they have enough power and media control to pull it off and make US gun owners & patriots look like terrorists.
by BabyEagle4U on 18 December 2012 - 17:12
Nice posts GSDTravels. It's nice to see someone else posting FACTS behind the second amendment.
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” Thomas Jefferson
The second amendment was specifically about making the individual people dangerous to tyrants. What did that Japan commander say about the American people ? He said behind every blade of grass is death waiting for it's invader !!! That is powerful coming from another countries military commander !!!
That's the only reason they want to disarm us, because then the whole country can be invaded by the collectives !!!
Not only that, words and legislation don't mean crap - it's when "they" come to take the guns when the actual meaning of 2A will be inniciated. And it won't be our own military taking the guns. Fortunately for the American people, our Military has already debated in our and the US Constitution's favor multiple times after Katrina.
“The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” Thomas Jefferson
The second amendment was specifically about making the individual people dangerous to tyrants. What did that Japan commander say about the American people ? He said behind every blade of grass is death waiting for it's invader !!! That is powerful coming from another countries military commander !!!
That's the only reason they want to disarm us, because then the whole country can be invaded by the collectives !!!
Not only that, words and legislation don't mean crap - it's when "they" come to take the guns when the actual meaning of 2A will be inniciated. And it won't be our own military taking the guns. Fortunately for the American people, our Military has already debated in our and the US Constitution's favor multiple times after Katrina.
by Judy P on 18 December 2012 - 23:12
GSD is right, the reason we need semi-automatic guns is to protect ourselves from our very own government. Anyone foolish enough to think otherwise will probably end up drinking the Kool-Aid.
I was once told something that I hold now as fact - the police are not here to protect you and I as individual citizens but rather to protect society as a whole. In most areas around here the police force has been cut and there are not even enough oficers to protect society. The only ones here to protect you as an individual is you.
It is bad enough that we sit here day after day and watch our rights erode, and like sheep most people do nothing.
I was once told something that I hold now as fact - the police are not here to protect you and I as individual citizens but rather to protect society as a whole. In most areas around here the police force has been cut and there are not even enough oficers to protect society. The only ones here to protect you as an individual is you.
It is bad enough that we sit here day after day and watch our rights erode, and like sheep most people do nothing.
by Judy P on 18 December 2012 - 23:12
This was written by a Firearms Attorney here in Michigan.
So everyone has been wondering about my opinion about the tragedy at Sandy Hook on December 14, 2012. But when do you post your opinion when 20 precious souls who have yetbegun to live life are cut short. Then we have the six adults who died that day trying to protect the children: Mary Sherlach, Mrs. Hochsprung, Victoria Soto, Lauren Rousseau, Rachel Davino, and Anne Marie Murphy. The day of the tragedy,the day after, or two days. It is hard to tell when the time is right. Families need time to grieve. The community needs time to grieve. The media is so hungry for a story that they forget that human side of story - the mantra goes on: if it bleeds, it leads. Even if the facts are sketchy at first, stated wrong, or misleading. Reporters used to report the truth. Now, they report what the highest bidder tells them to.
A lot of people are screaming for gun bans and gun control legislation. But this is not the answer. Why? Because criminals will NEVER follow the law. The knee jerk reactions will only trample the rights of those law-abiding citizens, who are afraid of what goes bump in the night and blindly follow their leaders. The end result is that we disarm ourselves to the point that we can no longer defend ourselves from the criminals. This has happened in other countries, such as Australia, Canada and England. Criminals become brazen and bold because NO ONE can do nothing to stop them; not even the police.
Some people are now talking about labeling the mental ill and tattooing them. But this right along the lines of what Hitler did with the Jews. As a mother and grandmother of individuals, who suffer from Asperger's,this is not the answer either. I can tell you that one of my grandson's in Iowa was beaten on the playground yesterday. Why? Because he has "Autism like that murderer in Sandy Hook." Obviously,the fifth grader who beat up my first grade grandson heard this at home. Such hatred cannot and should not be tolerated in our country. We were established as a "melting pot." This means that we all blend together and respect one another's differences - not bully, beat up, tease, or pick on another because they are someone different from us. If anyone has been to the Middle East, this is how Arab children are raised to hate Israel.
So here is what I have to commend about Sandy Hook. First, I have to say thank you. Thank you to school principal Dawn Hochsprung for giving her life as she lunged at Adam Lanza to try and save the 700 students entrusted to her care. No greater sacrifice could she have made that day. I only wish that the State of Connecticut could have different laws to have allowed you to have more resources at your disposal or your option to choose from, such as a concealed weapon, to stop him. But I am eternally grateful that you used the one weapon that you were born with - your brain - and used your body to shield the lives of those children that at most 700 families entrusted to you. You saved 680 of them and escorted 20 of them to the Heavenly Father. Thank you. Thank you to Mary Sherlach, the school counselor, who joined the school principal and rushed the shooter in an effort to save the children, without a thought of self or the insurmountable odds, you did all that you could. Thank you. Thank you to Victoria Soto, who reportedly hid some her students in a bathroom or closet and shield others from the bullets. The lie you told that the rest are in the gym in an effort to redirect the shooter away from those smiling faces that you taught daily, not caring if the weapons he carried could turn on you. Thank you. Thank you to Lauren Rousseau, who took the place of another as she left on maternity leave and accompanied 14 children on their way home.
All of the adult victims that day were women and they all acted to save the children. Now for the acts that I have read about and recognize as being smart although, I probably would have done differently. The male custodian, who ran the hallways, alerting all the classrooms that there was a shooter and to take cover. While his act of courage to alert as many of the classes as possible giving those teachers time to secure their classes and hide the children saved lives that day, it could have been different. Given the layout of the school, I might have urged the teachers to get the students out. Morning announcements were being read at the same time as the shots were being fired. Kaitlin Roig barricaded her15 students in a tiny bathroom with a bookcase and told them to be absolutely quiet. I have no idea how you managed tokeep 15 young elementary students quiet in that chaos, but I commend you. You saved their lives. To the clerk in the library, who led 18 students on their hands and knees to a point of safety,barricaded the door with file cabinets and then distracted them with paper and crayons.
Now, what would I propose to all school districts across this country. Stop locking our children up for the madmen, who break in, or the students, who seek revenge. Plan escape routes. Train your teachers and administrators what the sound of gunfire down your hallways sounds like. Work in conjunction with your local police departments, so the 911 calls can be an affirmative "There is an active shooter." Train your students how to quietly and quickly exit your buildings in the event of active shooter. Know your closest points of safety. Coordinate with local stay-at-home moms to establish safe homes in the event of such events happen to where your students can flee. Create less open space on your playgrounds, creating cover points as the children flee to safety. Coordinate with local businesses to shelter children in the event of an active shooter. Parents and communities have to be willing to spend a few tax dollars to make our school's entry points more secure in that the windows cannot be shot out by these shooters who would prey on our most vulnerable. Sometimes, in order to protect our most precious assets, we need to ask those who work with those who live in the gutter- the criminal defense attorneys of our communities. We know how our clients think and we can analyze situations and determine the vulnerable points and tell you how to fortify against our clients. Reach out to us, we are not so bad. We are all for keeping our children safe.
Next we need mental health reform. Not labeling or locking them up. But really dealing with the mental health problems. It does not need to be seen as a stigma to have a mental health problem. Sometimes individuals are born this way, sometimes there is a traumatic event that leaves them with a mental illness due to a brain injury, and sometimes it is just bad genes. Thereare also theories out there that it may be due to all the immunizations or all the efforts that society is taking to protect the environment. But we need to understand that children with autism, especially high functioning autism, have unique needs and are often overlooked because they do not fit the bill of true autism.
But above all, we need to realize that one event committed by one person does not mean that everyone with the same mental health problem will end up doing the same thing. We need to stop generalizing and being afraid. We need to mourn and look for solutions that are realistic and that do not hold our children hostage for madmen to pick off like fish in a barrel.
So everyone has been wondering about my opinion about the tragedy at Sandy Hook on December 14, 2012. But when do you post your opinion when 20 precious souls who have yetbegun to live life are cut short. Then we have the six adults who died that day trying to protect the children: Mary Sherlach, Mrs. Hochsprung, Victoria Soto, Lauren Rousseau, Rachel Davino, and Anne Marie Murphy. The day of the tragedy,the day after, or two days. It is hard to tell when the time is right. Families need time to grieve. The community needs time to grieve. The media is so hungry for a story that they forget that human side of story - the mantra goes on: if it bleeds, it leads. Even if the facts are sketchy at first, stated wrong, or misleading. Reporters used to report the truth. Now, they report what the highest bidder tells them to.
A lot of people are screaming for gun bans and gun control legislation. But this is not the answer. Why? Because criminals will NEVER follow the law. The knee jerk reactions will only trample the rights of those law-abiding citizens, who are afraid of what goes bump in the night and blindly follow their leaders. The end result is that we disarm ourselves to the point that we can no longer defend ourselves from the criminals. This has happened in other countries, such as Australia, Canada and England. Criminals become brazen and bold because NO ONE can do nothing to stop them; not even the police.
Some people are now talking about labeling the mental ill and tattooing them. But this right along the lines of what Hitler did with the Jews. As a mother and grandmother of individuals, who suffer from Asperger's,this is not the answer either. I can tell you that one of my grandson's in Iowa was beaten on the playground yesterday. Why? Because he has "Autism like that murderer in Sandy Hook." Obviously,the fifth grader who beat up my first grade grandson heard this at home. Such hatred cannot and should not be tolerated in our country. We were established as a "melting pot." This means that we all blend together and respect one another's differences - not bully, beat up, tease, or pick on another because they are someone different from us. If anyone has been to the Middle East, this is how Arab children are raised to hate Israel.
So here is what I have to commend about Sandy Hook. First, I have to say thank you. Thank you to school principal Dawn Hochsprung for giving her life as she lunged at Adam Lanza to try and save the 700 students entrusted to her care. No greater sacrifice could she have made that day. I only wish that the State of Connecticut could have different laws to have allowed you to have more resources at your disposal or your option to choose from, such as a concealed weapon, to stop him. But I am eternally grateful that you used the one weapon that you were born with - your brain - and used your body to shield the lives of those children that at most 700 families entrusted to you. You saved 680 of them and escorted 20 of them to the Heavenly Father. Thank you. Thank you to Mary Sherlach, the school counselor, who joined the school principal and rushed the shooter in an effort to save the children, without a thought of self or the insurmountable odds, you did all that you could. Thank you. Thank you to Victoria Soto, who reportedly hid some her students in a bathroom or closet and shield others from the bullets. The lie you told that the rest are in the gym in an effort to redirect the shooter away from those smiling faces that you taught daily, not caring if the weapons he carried could turn on you. Thank you. Thank you to Lauren Rousseau, who took the place of another as she left on maternity leave and accompanied 14 children on their way home.
All of the adult victims that day were women and they all acted to save the children. Now for the acts that I have read about and recognize as being smart although, I probably would have done differently. The male custodian, who ran the hallways, alerting all the classrooms that there was a shooter and to take cover. While his act of courage to alert as many of the classes as possible giving those teachers time to secure their classes and hide the children saved lives that day, it could have been different. Given the layout of the school, I might have urged the teachers to get the students out. Morning announcements were being read at the same time as the shots were being fired. Kaitlin Roig barricaded her15 students in a tiny bathroom with a bookcase and told them to be absolutely quiet. I have no idea how you managed tokeep 15 young elementary students quiet in that chaos, but I commend you. You saved their lives. To the clerk in the library, who led 18 students on their hands and knees to a point of safety,barricaded the door with file cabinets and then distracted them with paper and crayons.
Now, what would I propose to all school districts across this country. Stop locking our children up for the madmen, who break in, or the students, who seek revenge. Plan escape routes. Train your teachers and administrators what the sound of gunfire down your hallways sounds like. Work in conjunction with your local police departments, so the 911 calls can be an affirmative "There is an active shooter." Train your students how to quietly and quickly exit your buildings in the event of active shooter. Know your closest points of safety. Coordinate with local stay-at-home moms to establish safe homes in the event of such events happen to where your students can flee. Create less open space on your playgrounds, creating cover points as the children flee to safety. Coordinate with local businesses to shelter children in the event of an active shooter. Parents and communities have to be willing to spend a few tax dollars to make our school's entry points more secure in that the windows cannot be shot out by these shooters who would prey on our most vulnerable. Sometimes, in order to protect our most precious assets, we need to ask those who work with those who live in the gutter- the criminal defense attorneys of our communities. We know how our clients think and we can analyze situations and determine the vulnerable points and tell you how to fortify against our clients. Reach out to us, we are not so bad. We are all for keeping our children safe.
Next we need mental health reform. Not labeling or locking them up. But really dealing with the mental health problems. It does not need to be seen as a stigma to have a mental health problem. Sometimes individuals are born this way, sometimes there is a traumatic event that leaves them with a mental illness due to a brain injury, and sometimes it is just bad genes. Thereare also theories out there that it may be due to all the immunizations or all the efforts that society is taking to protect the environment. But we need to understand that children with autism, especially high functioning autism, have unique needs and are often overlooked because they do not fit the bill of true autism.
But above all, we need to realize that one event committed by one person does not mean that everyone with the same mental health problem will end up doing the same thing. We need to stop generalizing and being afraid. We need to mourn and look for solutions that are realistic and that do not hold our children hostage for madmen to pick off like fish in a barrel.
by beetree on 18 December 2012 - 23:12
And that means taking the blinders off.
1. Dehumanizing violence in kids with video games is not good.
2. Buying and using assault type weapons is not a good bonding activity with any child, let alone a mentally disturbed one.
3. Parents need help with their dangerous children.
1. Dehumanizing violence in kids with video games is not good.
2. Buying and using assault type weapons is not a good bonding activity with any child, let alone a mentally disturbed one.
3. Parents need help with their dangerous children.
by Ibrahim on 18 December 2012 - 23:12
Wow, so many posts to read, I will leave it till tomorrow, I never imagined there are people who think like that in the US, you are no better than any other people, you have many twisted minds like we have here, wow wow and wow. You are not better.
by beetree on 18 December 2012 - 23:12
"You are not better". How true. We are the same.
Perhaps all societies will produce "mad men" bent on killing for their own glory, but somehow I get no comfort thinking that it is "the" common denominator?
Perhaps all societies will produce "mad men" bent on killing for their own glory, but somehow I get no comfort thinking that it is "the" common denominator?
by Preston on 19 December 2012 - 01:12
The Police do not want any honest discussion or private investigations of the shooting. This is a blatant effort to violate the First Amendment.
http://rense.com/general95/oplttrvance.html
http://rense.com/general95/oplttrvance.html
by beetree on 19 December 2012 - 01:12
You don't know squat PRESTON JAMES, or JAMES PRESTON about what happened any more than ANY OTHER CIVILIAN. PUT THAT IN YOUR PIPE AND SMOKE IT>
by Preston on 19 December 2012 - 01:12
Pinocchio, you are losing it. Take a deep breath and relax. Its only PDB's off topic section, not bthe end of the world.
News control, that's the name of the game: http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/how-the-newtown-massacre-became-a-mind-control-television-event/
News control, that's the name of the game: http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2012/12/18/how-the-newtown-massacre-became-a-mind-control-television-event/
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