The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 22

"Haz - As the original poster of this thread is quite clear that you have not read properly and understood what I have said. All that you have said is pure and simple rubbish indicating that you have little or no experience of this breed and, it comes as no surprise to me, that you are supported by vk4gsd.

If it is your intention to buy a dog then I respectfully would suggest that you find another breed to mess up.

Mackenzie"

Oh I have read what you wrote.  It quickly became clear that you are one of the many people that have been "doing it" for 30 years and achieved...drumb roll.....absolutely nothing.  You have never bred or worked anything notable and you never will.  It quickly became clear that you know nothing about working dogs nor do you work your dogs.

You keep typing away about your coefficients and all your supposed experience. Ill stick with the breeders that have proven again and again that tight line breeding on the correct individuals is how you achieve consistent expression of the desired traits necessary to superior workers.  Dont take my word for it though look at kennels that consistently produce well, Tiekerhook, Equidius and Staatmacht to name a couple that immediately come to mind.

Trouble is because you and people like you do not work your breeding stock, nor understand what is good, average or poor quality work it really does not matter what dogs you are breeding.  You will never be able to select appropriate quality brood stock nor understand the reality of what you have produced and objectively cull and eradicate weakness. Undoubtedly even if appropriate stock was encountered such dogs would be too difficult to handle and would be written off as dangerous or un managable.

I tell you what though, Ill make it very easy for you.  Post some vids of your dogs and training..and Ill post vids of what I am doing with my dogs.  Then we can determine who knows what and who is messing up the breed.

Here is a primer of me messing up one of my doggies ;).

[IMG]http://i59.tinypic.com/fuonb8.jpg[/IMG]

http://tinypic.com/r/fuonb8/8

what commy host are this links to, are they pics or vids, no can open.

use youtube or vimeo will ya.

I doubt anyone alive today is responsible for the  "decline of GSD character".  There are great breeders today who have bred dogs that excel in many different venues. Before I got my first GSD I had another working breed that I trained in AKC OB with a trainer who bred and successfully trained GSD's for police work. When I told him I was thinking about a GSD for OB he told me - if you want a dog that can earn high scores in AKC OB, get a poodle. If you want a dog that can do anything you want it to do, then get a GSD. It probably won't go high in trial, but it will  qualify every time unless you blow it.

We will never agree on what is a Real German Shepherd so what's the point in challenging members here to show me yours and I'll show you mine? 

Gento Haus Larwin a  GSD/Malinois    OMG  , do you believe this .......... 

Why do the expert/trolls    thinking this and can they prove this 100 percent......................

Haz - It is clear from what I written about that I am not opposed to working dogs or the use of them in a breeding programme, perhaps you missed that. Also it did not take me very long to realize what was happening in the breed and I have never inbred any closed than 4,5 - 0,0. I have also worked, bred and trained dogs during my time in the breed, perhaps you missed that as well.

What this thread is about is very clear in the title - please read that bit again. The thread is about the breed as a whole including the breeding of working dogs. If you want to continue do you think that you can make worthwhile comments related to the thread.

As for the working dog side I am sure that even you will know that dogs are not born Sch H3, IPO 3 or any other qualification. The qualifications earned are put there by the trainers after the dog is born. What we are trying to discuss here is what breeders as a whole, whether their interest is working, breed or pet, is how we can breed better and healthier animals and the influences that control that. The topic is not about watching videos of dogs working, the subject of which is mainly related to bite work. These videos are completely unrelated to the topic.

In an earlier post you said “I will be looking for a tight line bred dog in the next few months male or female “. How tight is tight for you?  Also whatever you buy has no guarantee to become a good working dog,

Mackenzie

" I am not opposed to working dogs or the use of them in a breeding programme, "

that's neat considering it is a working breed.

The worst thing that could happen to such a fruitful discussion is to turn it personal, my dog vs your dog, please keep the discussion on track, and take into consideration many followers of this discussion never bred, trained or showed a dog, that is no sin 

Well said Ibrahaim - that is exactly what I have been trying to do.  What the thread needs is more open minded posters who can keep on topic.  Do you feel like contributing a little more?

Mackenzie

As long as the GSD breeders stay in the system from the SV power  nothing gonna change the GSD will never be stronger  deal with it or not.