The decline of the German Shepherd character - Page 21

Mac, VK´s "facts" are true.
Our beloved breed became what it is because the vast majority of breeders, owners, and judges wanted this kind of dog.
For this truth you don´t need to be a breeder, you only need to open your eyes ( I´m no breeder, too ).

Breeding for working dog traits "only" would be the easiest way to get good dogs - but, VK, we (at least I ) want good working GERMAN SHEPHERD DOGS - and at that point it starts to become difficult...

VK, at least over here there is no question about the parentage for at least 16 years ( somewhere around 5 generations ).

Susie, can you find out with yr extensive knowledge the truth behind my dog's line, Gento von Haus Larwin is according to gossip 50% mallinois???

 

i would like to know for curious reasons, many traits in a lot of progeny seem to reflect this, this dog was widely used here and appreciatted by the people that used him but the same traits are a nightmare for many others.

Sorry, VK, but this dog is 50% East German, bred in the Netherlands, a lot of years before any DNA tests started ( and they started in Germany only ).
The pictures I was able to find seem to fit to the pedigree though ( Robby ).
You will never know for sure, but some GSD do have these traits you mention, it´s not reduced to Malinois only

Susie - I agree that vk4gsd is correct in his comments regarding corruption, however, much of his comments are just drivel with no substance to them.  His latest comment that his dog may be a Malinois x Shepherd brings into question his knowledge of selection and the ability to research and find the answers himself.

I also want good German Shepherds who are fit for purpose as a working breed.  I am certainly not narrow minded when it comes to breeding in the best interest of the breed.

Mackenzie

Mac, as a breeder of German Shepherd Dogs you will never understand a guy who is simply interested in good and healthy working dogs.
Maybe I´m able to follow him because I started dogsport within DVG, an "all breed working club". In these clubs ( and in the minds of these people ) conformation doesn´t matter, it´s only about working ability.

Mack, i ask you to apply yr knowledge and tell the truth about the persistent accusation Gento is part Mal, i don't know how to do it. if you know then please educate me how.

 Susie - Of course I understand that some people are only interested in good and healthy animals, however, he takes it upon himself to tell the readers who not to believe what certain people say.  We have reached a very technical aspect in this thread regarding breeding and genetics and, in this respect vk4gsd is way out of depth.

vk4gsd - earlier in this thread you raised the issue of DNA.  Have you considered have a DNA test on your dog?  

Mackenzie

would not DNA be useless if the sire of the day did not have DNA test recorded?

 

what technical aspect hae this thread reached, you are not even aware of any technical aspects of genetics i beleive.

 

here is a simplified explanation of genetic information i use for assessing stud cattle, dog breeders are so far behind they do not even know it.

 

"

 

Estimated Breeding Values (EBVs) are predictions of an animal’s genetic merit, based on available

performance data on the individual and its relatives.

  

In the calculation of EBVs the performance of individual animals within a contemporary group is directly

compared to the average of other animals in that group. A contemporary group consists of animals

of the same sex and age class within a herd, run under the same management conditions and

treated equally. Indirect comparisons are made between animals reared in different contemporary groups,

through the use of pedigree links between the groups.

 

 

With the widespread use of artificial breeding and trading of genetics among seedstock herds an extensive

network of pedigree links has been established throughout the Angus breed. These pedigree links enable

the adjustment for environmental differences between herds, years and management groups. This allows 

comparisons between animals from totally different environments and management conditions.

 

EBVs are expressed in the units of measurement for each particular trait. They are shown as +ive or -ive

differences from the breed base. For example, a bull with an EBV of +50 kg for 600-Day Wt is estimated to

have genetic merit 50 kg above the breed base of 0 kg. Since the breed base is set to a historical

benchmark, the average EBVs of animals in each year drop has changed over time as a result of

genetic progress within the breed.

 

While EBVs provide the best basis for the comparison of the genetic merit of animals reared in different

environments and management conditions, they can only be used to compare animals within the same breed."

vk4gsd - you have gone to a lot of trouble to provide a long post EBV's in cattle but in the final paragraph you go on to say that they can only be used on animals within the same breed.

Sorry mate but I am not going to waste any more time with your posts.

Mackenzie

no big deal i just cut & paste from angus website.

 

curious why would only comparing animals in same breed be a problem, that's what breed surveys are for?????????