David Wilkerson vs Joel Osteen - Page 18

It is IMHO.

Thanks Gouda :-)

ggturner, Nice to see your post!,,,I absolutely love RC Sproul he is probably my favorite of all time,,Here is the link you posted embedded.
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http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/what_is_reformed_theology/unconditional-election/


GSDguy, Psalm 51:5 Sorry, but you are wrong..Bt the way have you ever known any child personally or ever heard of any child that had grew into a sinless person..Also, Deuteronomy 1:39 Only confirms that little ones and children have no intellectual ability to distinguish between good and evil..This is in no way suggesting that they are without the capacity for either...You don't like the notion of a baby perishing, but it will not change the fact that we humans are ALL born with original sin. Original sin meaning the sin we inherited through Adam..A heart inclined toward sin, prior to actually committing any sins.We are born with a nature enslaved to sin. It is not sinning that makes us sinners: We sin BECAUSE we are sinners..

Genesis 4:6-7 So because it doesn't say Cain was born a sinner in this particular verse you choose to ignore a plain biblical truth??..Sorry you are wrong again..We as believers are always seeking to master sin in our lives, but the fact remains that every human has need of Christ..even babies,,

The Ephesians passage was not posted to support original sin, I posted that verse to support the doctrine of election God's choosing of His people..

Let me clarify, I do believe that Jesus did sympathize with our weakness, but sympathizing and having the ability to commit sin are two very different things,,I do not believe that Jesus was capable of sinning..I do believe that he was sympathetic to our weakness,,

What did you mean by this comment, ".Many who teach Calvinistic ideas try numerous different ways to get around that.  But, at least you recognize He wasn't, and don't hold to those non biblical explanations."


Bee, It's not splitting hairs it is being accurate that we are concerned about,,







 

Let's take look an example of Adam before he sinned, that is Adam had to distinguish between good and evil, but he did not have to learn from experience of evil, he should not take up the evil in violation of God's will. And in Hebrew text of the Bible, the verb "to know - (jada) - means not purely external knowledge, and the knowledge of his life experience. You see knowledge itself is not evil, but the distinction between good and evil implies a lower level of existence. If you were in God, you rush to him with the mind and senses; the desire to know is the same thing is God, the desire to know the evil would mean removing the person from the contemplation of God, the falling away from God, that’s the one of the desire to know evil, which was already a sin.
 

How does a fool instruct the wise?
That would be a neat trick for either of you two.....LOL

Just curious.   Gsdguy08:  did you graduate from seminary school?  If so, what school?

Since I am not an expert in theology, I seek theological advice from those who are experts because they have a master's or doctorate in theology.  My pastor is someone I go to with theological questions (he graduated from Reformed Theological Seminary). The great reformed theologians such as Dr. R.C. Sproul (http://www.ligonier.org/about/rc-sproul/) and John Piper (​http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Piper_(theologian)) are excellent resources.  As well as the writings of Charles Spurgeon (http://www.spurgeon.org/aboutsp.htm).  

Here is Dr.R.C. Sproul's series on reformed theology:  http://www.ligonier.org/learn/series/what_is_reformed_theology/introduction-4/ .

Hi GGturner
Most of the great experts that have a doctorate in theoligy,do not agree with RC Sproul, WHY?
  gouda

Gouda,, Really??, "most of the great experts don't agree with Dr.. RC Sproul"??,,,Who??,,I would like a name..I would be willing to bet that most of the teachers you follow do not even have a doctorate in theology..I would actually be willing to bet that they didn't even graduate from a seminary..

ggturner,,Love these teachers..Here are your links..

http://www.ligonier.org/about/rc-sproul/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Piper_

http://www.spurgeon.org/aboutsp.htm
 

Ruger1,


Have you ever read the passage about Crown!


I was thinking what the Lord Jesus Christ refers to the church in Philadelphia about “Crown”
(Revelation 3:7-13)

Revelation Chapter 3
7 And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David, he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;
8 I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it: for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name.
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.
12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.
13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Let us first see what is meant by the word "crown." Here is the text that will help us in this.

2 Timothy Chapter 4
6 For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand.
7 I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.

James Chapter 1
12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

1 Corinthians Chapter 9
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.
 
1 Peter Chapter 5
1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being ensamples to the flock.
4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Crown – represents and/or this is what people get saved with at the second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Crown of righteousness: crown of life, imperishable crown and crown of glory.

Please pay a special attention to the fact that is in order to receive the crown, you need to live “accordingly/respectively” but unfortunately, many of today's Christians live with the mindset if I am saved I always saved "I believe in Jesus Christ" - is the only thing is necessary for salvation. But such words mean nothing; - if not backed up/reinforce by the deeds of faith. For example! Re-read these passages from the Bible:

Enduring temptation, and sinned NOT.

Subdue and enslave your body.

Do not do everything for the sake of any gain, such as (money, pride, fame, self and etc…)

Live your life, giving a good example.

Grow in the true faith, and not in the myths, legends and philosophies ...

As you can see from the familiar words "I believe in Jesus Christ" to all the way to the crown of eternal life, you need - a daily resistance to sin and increase/growth in holiness of Christ, and the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: "(Ephesians.4:13). By the power of God is possible, and even rejoicingly, but those who think that you will enter into the kingdom of heaven with your sins, and loving sin or any other sin, he/she is seriously mistaken, for it is written: " And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination... (Rev.21: 27)

By George, I've got it !  Finally figured out what the problem
is with Shtal  -  he simply cannot imagine a world outside his
own;  therefore he cannot conceive of any person who is 'sinless'
because HE is the arbiter of all sins.  So I might think, here in the
real world, that I live a life free of 'sin' - but because Shtal, not me,
decides what he thinks his god regards as a sin, that's ALWAYS
[rationally or not] going to mean that, for him, I am a sinner.  WOW
not much I can do to alter that perception, is there ?  May as well
go off and steal and murder, if that is what I'm going to be found
Guilty of by Judge Shtal.
What happened to "Trying to be a better person", Shtal ?  Seems
like you cannot be that, ever, if you DRIVE PEOPLE AWAY from
your religion.  Something about a 'mote in thine own eye' ???