Aggressive Puppy - Page 3

NO COMMON ANCESTORS IN FIVE GENERATION from the litter mates pedigree

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2485687-knallharts-fatal-beauty

Even in 7 generations nothing of consequence .. I call BS on there being any inbreeding involved or ghosts of Fero VD ZH unless the laws of mathematics have taken a back seat to any reason or science. 00.83% for Fero in 7 generations and there is a reason they stop normally reporting inbreeding after 5 generations .. it does not matter after 5 generations. The dog has a stronger relationship to Troll than Fero ( 1.37% vs 0.83 % ) and you can breed pretty much anything out of a bloodline in 3 generations if you try so that would be saying that for the last 5-6 generations there were a bunch of crazy dogs and no one noticed or tried to breed that out .. never happened.

Linebreeding - 7 generations Inbreeding coefficient  .. There are 128 possible relatives at 7 generations vs 32 at 5 generations .. a dog occupying 4 spots in the 5th generation is 1/8 of the pedigree while a dog occupying 4 spots at the 7th generation is 1/32 of the pedigree.

Father - Mother Who Wright's Hardiman's
5,6,7,7 - 6 V Fero vom Zeuterner Himmelreich SCHH3(V-BSP), FH 00.10% 00.83%
↳6,7 - 7 ↳SG Perle vom Rosenbusch SCHH1
↳6,7 - 7 ↳V Flori vom Berglein SCHH3(V-BSP), FH

5,6 - 7 V Troll von der bösen Nachbarschaft V-BSP 1990, SG-BSP 1993, G-BSP 1991, SCHH3, IPO3, FH, BH, AD, DNA 00.05% 01.37%

6 - 7 BSP Sieger 1990, SG Xando von Karthago 3 X V-BSP, SCHH3, FH 00.02% %

7 - 7 V Randa von Karthago SchH3 00.01% %

7 - 7 V Gildo vom Körbelbach SCHH3 ( V-BSP ) FH IP3 00.01% %

OK, so you believe that none of the descendents carry any traits of faro? OK, if you are correct, then line breeding is irrelevant in dog breeding.

I don't believe the pup is 'crazy', but do believe it is in the hands of people making mistakes with it.

Pure and simple: puppy is in the wrong hands, irresponsible breeder. Sad but true. Nan

Im not sure about pedigree because im new to all this. but the folks who got the puppy said they wanted the puppy to make his wife feel safe while he was away & also just for a pet. They have no other dogs & seemed to be on board with training. My friend who is the breeder screened & did vet checks on everyone. There were 12 pups in the litter & I have 1 . No problems with any other pups. I just posted here because i knew the people on this forum would be knowledgeable. I did learn alot from the people who replied . Oh & they feed puppy blue buffalo kibble.  They told me they do not allow pup to be on the furniture, but only trained pup to sit.Lol im just thinking of random things they told us . We thought it was strange.  Oh & my friend offered to take pup back & place her in a more suitable home. They say will keep trying . But i see them as unknowingly being the main issue.  Thank you 

Thats exactly what Bubba is stating, line breeding results in no chance of seeing traits past three. Factual wrong. He is equally as accurate as my east peruvian pear hypothesis.


FB1 a trait like nervous aggression whether or not that's what we are looking at does not have to effect the litter to be so, it may happen on the second breeding or never again, may affect one pup or 4 or none. Despite the call of BS and weasels and such by Bubba its completely plausible. If someone has 30 years experience with dogs and has never seen anything like this dog, a food allergy or a bad day at doggy day care blah blah blah makes little sense compared to the question I asked.

Thanks for clearing things up a bit. That is very interesting & those are things I was not fully aware of . Makes alot of sense though. Its loke opening a can of worms when dealing with a situation like this. I guess there's more than just surface level stuff. You gotta fig deeper to get a better understanding. Thanks again

Many pups can develop intense aggression at a pretty early age as mine did at 6 months. A 4 month old female out of a full sister( Ulla Vom Poppitz ) to my pups grand sire helped to stopped a B&E in which the perps were eventually arrested.The owner of the young female was amazed that such a young dog was capable of exhibiting real protection.

Joan said "But not locked up in an apartment in a big city."

 

Which is why IMHO you/they should totally ignore the 'offer'

from Mithuna on page 1  LOL

Hund: " Joan said "But not locked up in an apartment in a big city."
I think you have a misconception about what I do with my dog. I am out with my dog twice a day for about an hour each time. In the mornings we do interval running ( about 30x 100 m flat out sprints ) and in the evenings 45-60 minutes non stop brisk walking in the woods. Two days a week at the club. Dog is very well cared for nutritionally,emotionally, health insurance and dog live indoors / sleep in family's bed. Dog has no sense of being tied or confined and always stay within 5 feet while off leash ( in a special park where I let her off leash ).
Any other dog that is taken in will be treated the same. We will not keep more than 2 dogs at a time.

And btw I live in a 3 level house ( 2 family members plus me ) not an apartment.