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by mrdarcy on 20 January 2017 - 19:01

Bavarian Wagon, you have made your point....many times, now move on. Without getting in to the debate you have no clue the work that goes into getting the dog fit for the showring. Walking/running miles fitness training several times a day, and getting a dog to "run in a circle" lol, the size of a football field is not as easy as you seem to think. There's so much more to it than you seem to think.

I would also like to say your attitude needs to change so watch the way you reply to other members thanks.


by vk4gsd on 20 January 2017 - 19:01

Not sure about asl but training for sv show ring is actually physically challenging no doubt. An unconditioned dog of any stripe would struggle with it. I believe the asl shows are rather tepid in comparison, more like a beauty contest.

Just look at the apparel worn by sv handlers, they are ALL young athletes in sportswear and wearing runners and the have to be fit, including a double handler when allowed.
In contrast I see asl people in glamour, high fashion clothes and high heel shoes. Lots of out of shape and older people compete and can be successful.

This isn't being mean just easy verifiable facts; sv show ring requires a very fit dog and handler. For asl show ring you need a nice dress or suit, a set of fashionable evening shoes and nice make-up/hair-do.


by Bavarian Wagon on 20 January 2017 - 20:01

Mod edit, total nonsense and you like all members have been told if you have an issue with moderation contact a moderator privately. mrdarcy. I’m not sure why those members are allowed to rip into Schutzhund, Schutzhund clubs, and that whole system even though it’s clear they have extremely limited experience within that system. I’ve actually handled dogs professionally in an AKC ring…that’s right…got paid for it. Also handled dogs in the SV system. Not sure where the miles and miles come in, a properly conforming dog, that is in half way decent working shape, would have no issue entering a show and running a bit without any kind of extra work. As for a human…a decently in shape person shouldn’t have any issues handling a few dogs in the ring either. As for a football field…not sure what show is on a football field…Westminster, probably one of the bigger/more well known shows, is at Madison Square Garden, a basketball arena. A basketball court is about 12 times smaller than a football field…even if you did 10 laps around a basketball court, you’re not even close to a kilometer, and way less than half a mile. If you can’t run/walk half a mile, maybe dog sport isn’t for you. And if you want to make it seem like that distance makes you some sort of extra special person that puts in a bunch of time into working your dog…well…I guess my idea of “lots of work” is different than yours.

It’s sad really what people “within the breed” have stooped to. No one can be honest anymore. We try to prop up people’s achievements as if they’re something extra special. No one tells the truth anymore about what a title means or what it means to show at a certain level. Want to know why everyone is so confused about where to get a dog and what a proper GSD is? No one will tell them. More than that, those that try to tell the truth…get torn down and get more negativity thrown their way then the people doing the less than stellar things as it comes to the breed.


by vk4gsd on 20 January 2017 - 20:01

Smiley or someone mentioned gsd people should support each other. If you breed dogs you should be scathing and critical of yourself and others.

 

It appears it is ok to be openly offensive to people that work their dogs but the feelings of the non hackers mainly in the show/pet world must be protected at all times and the breed be dammed.

 

When feelings are more important than truth standards degenerate.

 

More of the daycare culture in the adult world where snowflake has to be made to feel special all the time and the adults have to clean up after their tantrums.


by hexe on 21 January 2017 - 01:01

vk4gsd, in my entire life, I've never seen a handler go into a show ring wearing heels, regardless of what breed they've got on the end of the leash.
Are they dressed up? To a degree, because that's considered to be showing respect for the judge--it actually springs from the customs of foxhunting, where it's an insult to the kennelmaster to show up at a hunt in anything less than full dress unless it's an informal hunt, which just means you wear browns and tans instead of black or red jackets. If you want to see people showing in just any old outfit, that would be the UKC shows, where I've actually seen people showing dogs in their damn pajamas. [Don't get me started on that--did the trend of sleepwear as regular daytime clothing migrate your way yet? It's rife over here!]

When it comes to showing GSDs in the AKC showrings, if the show is a multi-breed one, then usually each breed's ring isn't very large, so there's no way to really move the dogs where they can stretch out and show their stamina--and each breed is limited as to how much time they have with that ring, 'cause there's another breeds classes coming up in that ring after the GSDs are done.

At the breed specialty shows, the rings are larger, and the judges do typically have the handlers move their dogs repeatedly and for extended periods of time in the classes that matter [meaning the classes that the winners dogs are likely to come out of, so not the puppy classes] for Best of Breed determination. People with ASL who are SERIOUS about showing their dogs put every bit as much time into roadworking their dogs, exercising them on treadmills when the weather doesn't permit outdoor work, swimming them to build up muscling while protecting the joints from punishment...so yes, the ASL dogs and their handlers need to be athletic as well, and they have to do it dress clothes instead of track suits.

by vk4gsd on 21 January 2017 - 02:01

Have you seen the sv shows, pretty tough physical, albeit flat ground and trot only, but still pulling hard into leash for prolonged duration.

No comparison to the physical demands between sv and asl shows in terms of dog and handler fitness. There is no argument go watch the major show clips.

Not a fan of either but sv is definitely more physically demanding but at least you can feel superior to UKC dress codes.

 

And our fad is so called "onesy's" fake animal outfits...ridiculous trend.


by hexe on 21 January 2017 - 06:01

vk4gsd, the individual breed specialty shows here aren't televised anywhere, so you're unlikely to have seen those. You can find video from the GSD specialty shows here, and see the difference between those rings and the ones used in the major televised events, like this clip from the all-breed National Dog Show's GSD classes.  The only large rings used at the all-breed events are the ones used for Group and Best in Show judging, and the judges of those classes aren't likely to move the dogs for any length of time, for expediency's sake...they figure the breed judges already took care of that evaluation before putting the dogs up for Best of Breed.

I haven't shown in any venue in ages, so I don't have a dog in this fight.

And the animal 'onesies' have shown up here as well, though as sleepwear and not streetwear. Guess the "Furry" fetish is going mainstream.


by vk4gsd on 21 January 2017 - 08:01

Watched the links and more, and feel a measurable drop in testosterone in doing so.

I can not understand why you think those shows are more physical or even close to sv shows. Not to mention the sv dogs have to do bite work on top of it.

I gave it a good go to see it your way but honestly believe you have got it wrong.

We evolved from furries already and are now up to bronies, which are as far as I can determine are grown men that fantasize about being a little girl's pet pony, not even illegal to be a brony.

I have officially lived too long.

For bronies and furries...thanks America.


susie

by susie on 21 January 2017 - 18:01

I had the pleasure to be in Indianalopis last year ( SV show AND AKC show at the same weekend/at the same place )...

I watched the AKC show style whenever I had some time ( I really was curios ) - it´s different, it´s way less stressful ( for dogs and handlers ), not comparable at all.

by hexe on 21 January 2017 - 21:01

Never said they were more physical, vk4gsd. Just that the handlers and dogs train every bit as much as those showing in the SV rings do, and at the GSD breed specialties, you'll be more likely to see the repetitive gaiting in the upper classes. You definitely won't see it at the all-breed shows, I agree, and I also agree that the SV judges are much more inclined to run the handlers and dogs until they start seeing some actually drop out from fatigue. That would be frowned upon here, I've no doubt.

I agree with susie that the showing styles are not comparable at all...but having been around the AKC breeders for quite a while now, I've witnessed first-hand the effort that's put into conditioning the dogs for the ring, and it is a rigorous exercise program for the dogs.

I agree on the notion that we've perhaps lived too long, with the bronies and the furries and heaven only knows what else is yet to come. A friend points out to me, however, that all of this stuff has likely been going on in one form or another since the dawn of time--it's just the technology today makes it possible for them all to connect with one another, and make others aware of it. She's got a valid point, sadly.

There's whimsy--a pair of fuzzy bunny slippers, for example...and then there's weird--a fuzzy bunny SUIT, complete with head and face mask. Quite a chasm in between, but I suppose each is harmless.





 


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