Lucas Vrtovske Doliny - Page 4

Personal attack, no logic and basically incomprehensible sentence structure.

'...neck injury * eventually*'
The dog is avoiding the man, he is focused on the sleeve only... Not the true purpose of "Protection" phase...but that's what has happened to the breed because of all the justifying dogs which only work for toy, instead of true protection behavior. That is quintisential 'modern' so-called 'protection' training.

To each his own.

Blackmalinois, I agree with you, the comments reflect the commenters' experience level...also reflect agendas = selling dogs to those who gulp the koolaide.

How would you rate everybody's experience levels, Joanro?

I didn't say 'rates experience levels', I said * reflects* experience levels. And the comments do indeed reflect the experience of the commenters. Duke said, any civil dog will target the sleeve " when offered to him"....and THAT is the difference in a dog which is truely targeting/fighting the man, and a dog totally focusing on the sleeve/toy to the point of blatently avoiding the man. He said the dog was trained 'late' in life, I would assume he is explaining the total equipment orientation. And that verifies the dog is not civil, to me. The vid I posted where the dog was on the back tie, the dog was two year old, completely green never ever on a backtie before that moment, never trained on flirt pole, or on tug, or puppy pillow,,,none of that. Yet the dog was completely focused on the man. Sure he checked out the jacket, didn't know what it was, and was curious. Look where the dog in this picture is focused...we trained his hold and bark same way all my dogs that we trained for hold and bark...* on the back tie* ! That dog was started till nine months old and no puppy flirtpole, etc. That dog would come up over the sleeve and go for the decoy's shoulder if the decoy do what seems habitual for most...tapping the blind as the dogcomes in or cracking the whip to fire the dog up before he gets to the blind...dog would go into fight drive and the sleeve didn't exist. But work him like your in a trial, no flurrishes, and the dogwas clean. Duke was saying the dog in his vid was off to the side barking at the sleeve because he was trained the old way, which I guess he means on the back tie...that doesn't create an equipment oriented dog if done properly.

 

Meant to say 'That dog was * not* started till nine months old...'

I was asking for your opinion. I know you said 'reflect.'

 

I think Joan it will be better judge about dogs when you see their training yourself
in real life from pup to adult all those videos are great but they showing just a litle not the whole luggage everybody will show their best performance on video but in training in real life  we see also bad and differents moments from dogs. I agree with most of your posts about this male . We all know a good trainer can camouflage a lot and look sometimes better than it realy is, inc myself have fooling many times in dogs behaviour but I,m still learning.

Its all about the details this take training experience and a good eye.

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Relyia...vk has never trained a dog for sch by his own admission, he seems to go the way the wind blows and is supporting with comments which are indicative of his lack of experience.
Blackmalinois is making statements consistent with protection training which focuses on selecting dogs which have desire and power to fight the man instead of obsessing for the equipment...
Duke seems to contradict himself, and seems to be alibying for what the video shows.

Blackmal, yes, of course it's better to see the dog.
I have also been fooled one time by a vid of a dog...the dog went to the wusv a couple times, was sch champ in his country. I bought the dog, and low and behold, he was afraid to go down open stairs, was afraid of a pen full of hogs, was afraid of four wheeler when it was running, etc. But by golly, sucker had the hardest, deepest, calmest grips that would give a decoy a boner!
Anyway, just calling the vid as I see it, because after that dog I just mentioned, I went back and watched all the videos again, to see what I missed, if anything...wanted to see where the clues to the dog's true temperament showed in the 'protection' videos...believe me, I saw many 'tells' in those videos. I won't be 'fooled' again :-)