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by bebo on 10 October 2015 - 00:10

Call the end training what it is...sport or work

by your logic, there is no difference between a professional nfl player and beer league player. right-o.


by Haz on 10 October 2015 - 00:10

Your right Joan but the answers cannot be found on the internet. Especially from the likes of most of the regular posters on here that will happily babble away about angles and gaiting but wouldnt know good work from bad.

The answers are found by buying pups and dogs of different blood lines, working them, training and trialing with successful people and seeing numerous dogs and training styles in person not via youtube.
Training for success and being honest and un emotional about whats in front of you. Thats were the answers lie.

by joanro on 10 October 2015 - 00:10

"Not any more than a football player playing football equals a special ops soldier taking out a sniper.
the analogy is rather weak. "

I think the analogy is very accurate...football player= sport dog ( op said any sport, not just IPO)
Special Ops soldier = real world job with a dog ( could be seeing eye, S&R, doesn't have to only be PSD )

If the football player is screwing around and messes up a game, nobody will die...he might loose some money tho.
Special Ops soldier is protecting fellow soldiers, can't be screwing around and miss taking a shot at the enemy...somebody on his side could die.
If an agility dog screws around and misses the weave pole....who's gonna die...Nobody. ( get where this is going, yet?)
If a seeing eye dog is screwing around, is poorly trained, he could lead his charge into oncoming traffic and .....not good.

As to which SPORT one chooses to participate in with their dog...definitely -definitely a matter of preference.


by joanro on 10 October 2015 - 01:10

"by your logic, there is no difference between a professional nfl player and beer league player."

Correct, both are sports. One gets paid to play the sport the other? But neither are life and death important and neither are needed for survival of humanity.
Same as the field trials that pay money are sports, so are the local beagle club trials put on for fun and ribbons.
Same as running a team of sled dogs for fun is sport and running in the Northern Lights 300 is competition sport....
the above can be Jobs where the handlers are paid winnings, but they are not equal in importance to the work of a seeing eye dog or a PSD....


by joanro on 10 October 2015 - 01:10

Thumbs up @ Haz


by Allan1955 on 10 October 2015 - 11:10

IMO we cannot define the working dog by the importance of the work or the kind of work. Just as  in our human society whether you are a ER doctor, Fireman  busdriver or even a volunteer. They are all needed to make a society work so at the end equally important. If all marines were seals the the US marines as a whole will be screwd.

In contrast to humans dog don't get to choose the work or the importance of the work. Whether the job is Herding, Seeing eye, LE, Sport or everthing in between is needed to define a working dog.

There is essentially no differerrence between a professional sportsman and an amateur at the end the target is winning.

If we define work as performing an activity towards one goal, then the sportdog is also a working dog. Regardless of the level or importance of the job.

Dogs have been serving humans for thousands of years, as society changes so does the jobs dogs perform. From a dogs perspective it is still work.

 

 

 

 

 

 


by Nans gsd on 10 October 2015 - 16:10

Well put Allen1955: totally agree with your explanation and definition of "WORKING DOG". Thank you. Nan

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 10 October 2015 - 18:10

Hhhmmm ... doesn't QUITE work though, does it ? Sure, Firefighters, Doctors,
and Road Sweepers are all just as essential in their own ways to keeping society
ticking over - but are singers ? Clowns ? Athletes ? Football players (American
or Soccer ) ? Actually I think our lives would be hugely the poorer if there were
no entertainers, or artists; but that would perhaps be a more relevant comparison
to dogs worked in Sports or other competitions, as opposed to S&R or LE work ...

by joanro on 10 October 2015 - 18:10

'One serves humanity, the other serves human ego..'

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 10 October 2015 - 19:10

Do we always know which is which ?

BTW I am not suggesting there is any less skill and hard work being
put into both areas of expertise.





 


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