Bitework Question: How should trainer progress. - Page 13

Bavarian Wagon:..."Don't even get me started on the "national level helper doesn't mean shit" club."

GSDfan: I never said it doesn't mean shit. I did say it is not an automatic credence to their knowledge of training vs trial helper work (ie using that alone to judge their knowledge)...if you spend any time in the sport yourself you will admit knowing how to catch dogs does not mean you know how to train them. I have a great deal of respect for anyone who puts time into dogs and the sport as those helpers do, national level or not. And they often do not have helpers to work their own dogs.

I have witnessed a world level trainer/handler/helper train two athletic young men to national level or national level quality helpers in two years or less each.  They are excellent helpers, far better than I could ever perform physically...but to say their physcial ability in catching dogs was equal (at that point) to their training knowledge would be false.

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I do appreciate the honest answers, but it does not not men that I don't have to process, and evaluate them. Once an elderly female expert on here posted that a dog running sniffing an entire house after a stranger departed from the house is a sign of fear. Now by the rules of this board, I am suppose to accept this by this "expert"s " mere testimony. I grew up with hunting dogs and my bother and I went into the forest at night to hunt game. The dogs would track by scent and back game up a tree. My bother would climb or shoot the game. When the game fell to the ground the dogs were on it like anything...they showed ZERO fear of the animal they had followed by scent.
\My point still remain that even though people are sincere , it does not mean their responses are absolutely correct .


Admin"As far as the OP goes - I think people generally tried to help in the beginning but when you are slammed, cut down and made to feel like shit for giving honest answers to someone that don't want to listen to those answers ".

if some text characters appearing in a web browser can/ has the power to make you feel slammed, cut down, and like sh#$%.. it speaks volumes of your or ( any similarly responding person ) self concept; mostly still informed by others.

Think really seriously about what you just said... a few text characters appearing in a web browser has the power to make you feel like sh#%$.  Are you for real?


 

 

 

 

 

I for one have never felt "slammed down" by Mithuna, although I am one of his regular critics. His attempts to either ridicule or reject my answers to his "questions" have sometimes irritated me, it is true, although sometimes they have just made me roar with laughter. I find his constant misogyny (to all) more annoying but its not as bad as some we face every day, so its water off a ducks back.

I had not contributed to this last thred as I had literally given up on trying to get him to recognise the truth of anything we'd been saying to him so I wasn't going to waste my breath / typing time.

Mithuna - the things we have said to you have been based in long-term experience WITH THE GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG BREED, not some oddball collection of hunting dogs of which you have vague memories. They may therefore differ from your assessment of "things the dog is likely to do". This is usually coupled with a good deal more practical all-dogs experience than you can claim.

I cannot say anything more succinctly about your whole knowitall approach. You must get something out of what we say to you else you would not keep returning here, having told us all that we knew nowt and you were going to move to some other interactive site where they would all agree with you (sic). You must get something out of the vet you use, or you would have found one by now who has "got the right approach" to your bitch and does not need to make her sedated with a drug that CAN trigger epileptic seizures in GSDs. You must be developing coping strategies for handling her behaviour - but do please (for her sake) bear in mind what people have repeatedly warned you about that: you cannot control ALL the circumstances you will face, and 'shit happens' sometimes. You DO need still to develop a better memory, clearly posters can remember incidents you have written about in the past that you appear to have wiped from your own memory !

I leave you with one further comment, to all reading this: Mithuna told us a while ago that his dog and his wife "race upstairs at night to see who can get to the bed first". Anyone want to make book on predicting the eventual outcome of THAT ?

"Alpine manly men" was NOT a personal reference to Prager Hans, but rather his forum members. If there are any T-shirt sales, I want royalties.

Words convey feelings, and also meanings of intent. They transcend mere text characters on a screen. Of course Mithuna, you know that, but being facile suits the situation at hand. I feel marvelous, btw.
 

Hund: " Anyone want to make book on predicting the eventual outcome of THAT ?" Before the ladies get together and write that book, let me provide a sample ( and observed outcome ) that I hope the hypothesis would account for. The outcome of my wife and dog racing to the bed has been a game just for socializing and bonding . The outcome is that both of them are strongly bonded and my wife comfortably use the dog as a pillow during some of her ( wife ) naps . The dog is COMPLETELY stable in our family setting ( as I have said many times ) and she enjoys being with us as much as we enjoy being with her.

btw: dogs with very high defense that gravitate to just a few people is NOT as uncommon as you think. Here is a description of the dog taken from the website of a reputable breeder of mainly Czech dogs ( and he breeds mostly for LE venues ): " [     ] is a large black sable female. She is a very tough dog, geared towards protection. She can only be handled by her owner. Her personality is not one for sport, but has a very high ball drive and high energy. She produces puppies that are ideal for personal protection and law enforce

" [     ] is very large dark sable female  imported from Czech Republic. She is a single owner dog due to her high defense

I also personally know of reputable breeders for whom such dogs are part of their breeding program.

 

 

 

So, there's no difference between a dog that already has its BH, and is very close to getting an IPO 1 going off on the decoy when he's not wearing equipment...

and a young female with very little obedience training going off on a stranger carrying a guitar case?

Yeah, riiight....

I think you enjoy being a troll, B.W. And I said that to someone one of the first times I saw you post here. It's one thing to disagree with someone's opinion, and something else again to tell them they are living in a fantasy land where they believe everything their 'heroes' tell them!

 

[sigh] - oh, what's the use - excuse me, I have a couple of dogs that need feeding and bit of training and TLC before I head out to work... that would be a far more productive use of my time.

No one is going to bother writing a book about Mithuna, wife and Dog bedroom games. "Make book" means to take bets (on the outcome).

Hund, I assume will be the bookie for us Ladies.

Different odds for when they get their second dog, yes?

SS : "and a young female with very little obedience training going off on a stranger carrying a guitar case?"

This happened when the dog was just slightly over 6 months of age .

Mith, whatever ... your dog still won't allow a stranger to pet it, and that is not the way a stable GSD should act. I sometimes wonder if you actually knowingly or possibly unknowingly encourage that because it shows what a badass dog you have.

LOL, Hund, I actually privately suggested to a couple of people that we start taking bets on how long it would be before Mith's dog bites someone (other than the decoy)!

Okay, Im out of here before I say something that gets me a slap on the wrist from the mods...