Are protection dogs more dangerous then untrained one? - Page 3

 

ValK : the dog, who's lacking dominance trait, couldn't make real reliable PP dog. after being trained for PP, such dog can give feel of safety but when shit happen, will fail to protect.

 

Hans: ValK I am talking about genetically sound

 

  well

 

trained PP dogs. what are you talking about?

Prager, once again:
What will happen in a "family surrounding"?

There will be children (not only the own children but a lot of friends, too), there will be neighbours, the postman, and on and on, on a daily basis.
How often will there be the need to "protect" / how often will there be the need to be social, stable, calm?
0,01%/99,99%?
As a mother I'd check the 99,99%, because that's what will affect my family for sure...

To make it more clear, you asked:

But why do you think that it is smart from wives to be wrong about their perception of PP trained dogs as a vicious and dangerous dog? 

ANY dog can be "vicious and dangerous", trained or not.
I would want to see proof of temperament before I'd buy any dog  - and that's smart...

You really want buyers who don't know you to trust your word only? When children are involved?

I give up. Why is it so hard to comprehend what I am saying? All your points are valid but that is not the point of the tread. Point of the thread....what ever. I have better things to do. I was really interested in talking about what is mentioned in OP . Oh well......

Prager

what are you talking about?

i'm talking about, that technically any dog can be trained to perform as PP dog but very few can  fulfil such task with 100% reliability.
the people have quite varied perceptions about "genetic soundness". what is your?
i seen the dogs, which after nowadays testing was aclaimed as genetically strong but after first experience of bold and painful response, did fail in protection.
if you train and promote such type as protection dogs, then you simply deceive your customers.

Pragre: So Joan now you are going to dictate to your clients what to get? Anatolian shepherd?! You are kidding, right? You mean untrained Anatolian shepherd for dog ignorant people is that what you are recommending. Or while they are being stocked [sic] by a rapist, they should get a pup and wait for 2 years before it becomes protective - without training as you advise?

First, pragre, the woman was NOT ingnorant. And..She is not being stocked [ sic] by rapist.

Second, she cc at all times.

Third, She wants a dog to live out in the acre fenced back yard and for it to " protect". LGB are very protective.
If you knew anything about the LGB, they begin barking in a territorial way as young as four months old. It does not take them ' two years' as you claim out of ignorance of the LGB. They are very easy to handle and inexperienced owners can handle them easily...very easy going dogs without the quirks that many gsd now have.

Forth, she wants a puppy to grow up with her small children.

And fifth, she is NOT a client, but someone asking for advice....

Pragre: Also to presume that people are born with an innate ability to handle a dog is interesting. Is that how you obtained the ability to train dogs? I do not think so. IMO all people interested in dogs need to learn somewhere how to handle a protection dog. I provide extensive lessons and continuous training.
For example, I sell trained dogs to victims of violent crimes and they do not need chihuahua as you are suggesting. They need solid PP dog who will protect when the intruder returns and gives them some peace of mind for their PTSD. I also teach basic gun handling. I can give tens of other scenarios of people who are buying trained dogs for protection.
In any case, with all dues respect, I will repeat for the obtuse, that this thread is not about selling nor about handlers ability (you can start a new thread on this topic) but it is about if the trained dog is vicious or more dangerous then an untrained dog.** So please do not insist on hijacking the thread.**

You hijacked your own thred talking about handling, training and as usual, selling and your sales pitch about constant training and ' gun handling lessons' ...so now you are licensed to train people in gun handling?
And I never mentioned a chihuahua...you did. There are more small breeds that just the Chihuahua.
Some people don't want to spend the rest of the dog's life going to someone like you in order for the dog to be " protective" .....they have full lives raising children and want a dog that has the temperament to know an intruder from a neighbor kid playing in the yard, without having to spend thousands and thousands of dollars and then have to keep going back over and over and over and over and over, in order to keep the dog "trained " to be "protective." ( A dog that is genuinely protective, does not need to be trained to protect).

BTW, this is PDB, and last I looked, you are not the owner nor moderator so you don't get to tell me to start a new thread nor what I can post.

Pragre: . This is not about handler's qualifications which can be turned into another thread. This is strictly about the safety of a trained dog vs untrained dog.


It's all about the handler, unless the dog is supposed to work without one...

@ValK I know what you are talking about. that was just a rhetorical question. But what you are talking about is not what the thread is about. I suggest that you start a new thread which would deal with your valuable thoughts. 
 

 

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