Just another Sport Dog - Page 12

I disagree with Barean bout insecurity and Koots about first time bitework.
Without any information the video to me looked like a young dog being trained in bitework, and the circle work he did after 'winning' the tug just your usual dog wins tug/sleeve let him run with it for the various reasons that people do.
I guess I'm saying everyone sees something different, we all have an opinion based on 1 minute videos.

Crumbs - my dog has been trained to work defence-channel-prey to make him "safe" for IPO helpers. He has not been given the option to spit out the sleeve right away and has been conditioned to run with it, contrary to his natural inclination to go back at the man immediately. As IPO is the only dog sport anywhere close to where I live (PSA club is 8 hrs away), we are doing what we can and working on bonding, discipline and having fun.

You are very correct about trying to assess any dog from a 1 minute video - it is difficult at best and most often is biased by the experiences and attitudes of the viewer.

Lol...sporty dogs, not serious. Poorly trained, the dog is serious. Regurgitation of the usual online excuses for what a dog does or why a dog is one way or another. Completely over simplified theories and continuation of the usual stereotypes that are written over and over on the internet to make mediocrity feel better about itself.

Haha BW, nice inaccurate paraphrasing.

Perhaps I am not wordy enough when trying to explain what I mean, leading you to make an incorrect surmision. That's OK, perhaps some other readers understood.

And I feel just fine about myslf and my dog, even though neither of us are superstars.    

Koots, nice dog, looks to me that he isnot 100% sure what is expected of him there but will be nice dog to work with, furthermore mostly agree with Joans perception

@ bavarian wagon, your post on previous post shows you got some wrong info from your trainers/seminairs

you cannot teach a dog to be civil, period

in germany some great trainers devoloped training way to make it look like that after they had problems with their to sporrty dog not guarding, and one even walking out of the helper on a main event.

The problem is IMO that there are certain shortcomings of dogs you should correct in the whelpingbox, not on the trainingfield

Duke, good luck with sales. Another one of those times you like to take the extreme and make it as if it's the rule for all dogs.

Very few dogs don't have the ability to be taught to bite a human/hidden equipment. Especially when you start looking at proper lines and well bred dogs, you don't need to worry about the dogs ability to bite "not equipment." A dog might not be that civil monster you always speak of but never show, but you've always showed prey dogs that have no problem biting hidden equipment, so I really don't understand your line of thinking/sales pitch. The mediocre/average dogs you make a living off of are not some special man eaters, they're regular dogs that can either be taught to do club level sport (probably by someone else) or be sold to a trainer for K9 training. That is not rare or hard to find, no matter how hard you try to push that sales pitch on this forum.

There are a ton of breeders in America that can produce the types of dogs you look for and do it on the daily. Plenty of them have commented on this thread. If you ever need help teaching a dog how to bite hidden equipment or no equipment feel free to PM.

Sour grapes have overwhelmed the expert commenter with no dog-no video who probably never trained a RL dog....only in his mind while sitting on the fence watching at seminars, getting a tingle up his leg as he watches the trainer do magic with RL dogs he wishes he himself could do.

Get off the internet and join an AKC training club and get started learning how to train. They might even have a RL dog to let you use during class till you're competent enough to have your own dog.

You never, ever have anything to contribute on this board that anyone who is interested in dogs can appreciate. instead you only present negative negative negative hate filled posts.  Mod edit, personal insults and negative comments. mrdarcy

 

BW you really have no clue about the dogworld as a whole, you definately dont understand my line of business and you also shown not to understand the IPO world, 

and the dogs I make a living on are no way near mediocre, these are not dogs that are allowed to miss an article on the track or guard like shit like most sport dogs today,

these are dogs that protect and save lifes, no shortcuts there, no trainingtricks or gimmicks, so I dont send a dog to LE that will retrieve a sleeve at best

and finally, biting hidden equipment is prey biting 99 % of the time

 

Wow...I get called godless now? Hate filled posts? That's the first post filled with hate that I've actually seen on this thread. You're funny Joan...Mod edit..personal insults. mrdarcy The FIRST PERSON ON EVERY THREAD WHERE YOU CRY ABOUT HATE AND NEGATIVE COMMENTS TO POST ANYTHING NEGATIVE AND RESORT TO NAME CALLING IS ALWAYS YOU. Personal insults removed

You're right duke, I don't know anything. You're the only one that has the inside information about the IPO world, real dogs, and breeding amazing dogs. How lucky we are to have you on this forum, no one else can possibly have the breadth of knowledge that you posses.

Thank you for making my point for me by the way. No one cares if a dog is civil (by your definition) or not. It's easy to make basically any dog bite hidden equipment if it's got enough prey to bite or even if it's more defensive and biting out of aggression. It's also extremely easy to train a dog to not just "retrieve a sleeve at best" if you know what you're doing, no special seminar necessary.

Bavarian Wagon Mod edit..personal insults. mrdarcy

The fact that he cannot answer any direct questions and he only responds to others' posts with ridicule, then it is reasonable to conclude he is inexperienced, has never successfully trained a dog and likely doesn't even own a dog. And only comes to threds to ridicule others.