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P59, as far as those litters carrying the kennel's name that is true. But there are other litters produced in partnership that will not carry the name of the parent kennel. And one sometimes sees that stateside as well. Ten (10) litters per year is a lot of puppies even if they are but normal-sized litters. Most hobby breeders can handle one (1) or two (2) litters per year, but past that it becomes first a part-time job and then a full-time job in order to do it well. That is where the partnerships are valuable resources. Even though the parent kennel is of course making some profit from the sale of puppies, there are dogs to train and title, dogs to show, etc. and that takes a tremendous amount of money and time. Bob-O

Additional to the maximum of 10 litters per kennel are max. 5 lease breeding in another kennel. Other kennel must be registered with the S.V. and residing in Germany. In reply to an earlier posting: Maximum 60 matings within Germany for the sire. Mating within Germany or outside of Germany at the discretion of the breeder. Matings must be distributed (spaced) throughout the year according to S.V. Zuchtordnung recommendations

Additional to the maximum of 10 litters per kennel are max. 5 lease breeding in another kennel. Other kennel must be registered with the S.V. and residing in Germany. In reply to an earlier posting: Maximum 60 matings within Germany for the sire. Mating within Germany or outside of Germany at the discretion of the breeder. Matings must be distributed (spaced) throughout the year according to S.V. Zuchtordnung recommendations

Thank you, Uvar.

Many good posts. I wish to emphasize that a dogs color is near the bottom of the list when it comes to judging conformation to the standard, and all colors are allowed except for white, liver, and blue. That being said, the popular conception that "red dogs win" is understandable since they are so flashy compared to their brown or grey counterparts. Some commentaries refer to colors being "bright rather than correct". This reflects the standard that pigment should be deep and strong without preference given to any particular color. With regard to movement, construction, and endurance, the standards of proportions, angulation, etc. are based on theoretical engineering concepts for efficiency, but other factors of course apply. I have seen top show dogs open up the throttle and fly effortlessly around the ring for numerous laps without apparent fatigue or loss of motivation. To understand each dog we must understand the pieces of what make up their physiology as well as their psychology. As stated there are working line dogs that are calm and civil with zero prey drive, and show dogs that are as serious as a heart attack. I believe that the major split occurred when some abandoned breeding for work and others abandoned structural improvements. They later returned to those activities with mixed results. There are also those such as Karl Fuller (Kirschental) who have consistently produced working (HGH) dogs some of whom have won top honors at the sieger show. The shows and trials BOTH began as breeding tools. They have both become something very different, as many top competitors in both arenas are NOT breed worthy for one reason or another. Perhaps I am just a romantic, but I maintain the belief that the GSD is set apart from the single and no purpose breeds by its great innate versatility and bond to humanity. I believe that we can eliminate or reduce the undesirable extremes and foster the development of lines that excel in a broad spectrum of activities and are healthy, long-lived, well adjusted members of society. Best Wishes, Jonah

Uvar, your information is incorrect and unfortunately people who read your input will not know that until someone corrects it. Again. A German kennel is limited to 10 litter per year, with or without lease or breedings in another kennel. The leasing of a bitch (Zuchtmiete) is different from having someone else whelp the litter (Aufzüchter). A kennel may have up to 5 litters from leased bitches per year. That means a bitch that was not in the ownership of that breeder is leased by him and will then have a litter in that breeders name like any other dog he owns. That is limited to 5 per year, out of the total 10. If a breeder decides to have someone else whelp and raise a litter there is no limit on how often that can happen per year or at how many different places, as long as it does not exceed the maximum of 10 in total. Only requirements are that such a person must reside in Germany and be a current SV member, but does not have to have a registered kennel. So bottom line, 10 litters per kennel per year. Males can be bred up to 90 times per year, to German or foreign owned bitches, but is limited to a maximum of 60 bitches that are in German ownership and whose litters will be whelped in Germany. And yes they need to be spaced throughout the year. Otherwise how these breedings are distributed is at the stud dog owners discretion. Uvar, seems you are getting lost in translation... You probably mean well, but false info is really not helping people who seek the correct information.

4pack, This breaks my heart to hear about your girl. I would guess, she has been abused/neglected for so long, she no longer knows how to light up.

Thank you D.H. for detailing the issue. You are correct with your comment about my translation. I am German and translate dog issues into English. Did not intend to explain in detail, only wanted to give an overview. Yes "90 Spruenge" are permitted on an SV approved GSD stud dog. If I remember correctly, it was you D.H. who made the remark in another topic about mating a GSD with Zuchtwert 65 to a GSD with Zuchtwert 135. Can you answer my question why the owner of the GSD with Zuchtwert 65 would breed to a GSD with Zuchtwert 135? As a result of this mating, the dog with Zuchtwert 65 - I cannot imagine an owner being that stupid - would be rendered almost worthless in the next quartely update of the SV Zuchtwerteliste. The litter will have to be tossed out. That action by an owner with a good Zuchtwert on his dog is equal to shooting the dog. Please explain.

Uvar, I used that as an example in another topic and also included "Whether that is a good idea is besides the point." But it is apparent that you do not understand the ZW system at all. No litter will be tossed out if at the time of breeding it met all SV requirements. Changes after the time of breeding are not relevant in regard to ZW. Very sad statement coming from someone in Germany, and rather unusual. If you are indeed German (the average English speaking German would not know what "Gerbil-ing" is though), involved in the SV, then you would know what the Zuchtordnung actually says and would know such subtle differences as explained above. It seems that you are not an SV member and SV breeder. Hard to know anything about your true identity as you are posting anonymously. You might want to change that if you want to continue a serious discussion. Further exploration on this particular topic should stay with the other thread. Actually should be a totally different and new thread, since you brough the ZW issue into the other thread though it was not part of it either. Feel free to start a new topic on that. Kannste sogar in Deutsch schreiben, vielleicht kriegen wir dann ein wenig mehr Klarheit in die Situation. Kann ja sogar sein, daß wir dann eher auf einen Nenner kommen und einige dieser Mißverständnisse aus dem Weg räumen können. Kannst Dich ja mal privat melden.

To D.H. If you are correct and the SV permits a mating to a dog with a Zuchtwert of 135 just because some stupid owner agrres to sacrifies his/her dog with a Zuchtwert of 65, then I better get in touch with the S.V. NO, I will not contact you privately. It is not my intent to educate you guys one by one, and especially not the ones who do not have the basics on the subject.