Inappropriate Agression , but is this a fear biter? - Page 3

A dog has to have fear to be a fear biter.
I don t see fear in that dog. I see a dog that look that guy right in the eye and bite him, without thinking twice of it.
But for that muzzle....

Doesn ' t look like a fearbiter but like a well trained adult dog, sold to a new owner, who now, although already well bonded to the dog, is not able to get it's social aggression under control.
Looks like the " professional " attempt to resocialize this dog, but honestly, although the dog submits to the trainer, the behavior will change as soon as the owner is at the end of the leash again...

The second video - sorry, but a total no-go - stupid guys not taking the time to bond with a dog - sad reality.

Susie
👍 very likely scenario 

Yup. Agree with Susie, both counts.

Yeah Susie I was wondering if that would be the end result. I agree about the second video, but going to take a look at that whole website later ! And yes Jesse also agree the French (Fr/Canadian) guy seems to know what he is about.

Ok - Pupier calls himself a "technical specialist" working with dogs with aggresion problems, including for French law enforcement as well as the general public. The "SitMeansSit" mob is an American franchise of dog training services, general obedience. Apart from now presumably being very rich, there's not much evidence of the guy in charge (Fred Hassen) featuring. NEITHER advertise regular Training Classes/Clubs for Sports with Bitework.

Which tells me my assessment was probably correct.

I used "inappropriate" because that what the OP titled this thred - but I happen to believe that may well be an appropriate description, as it happens.

As for the dog aiming as though he's been sleeve-trained, Jesse, I am here to tell you that the last two dogs who tried to take a lump out of me, neither of which had had ANY bite training, of any sort, both aimed at my forearm in exactly the same way. (Just different arms LOL).

And, Joan, who says a badly managed dog could never have been taught the Sit and Down basics ?  Knowing those two commands does not prove those dogs are not also still 'calling the shots' in their homes. [Nor does obeying them for someone who is clearly 'in charge' and gives the commands properly mean they still obey them when their owners try to use them ! - I can make the neighbours' daft 2 year old poodle bitch Sit and Come for me, when they cannot.  They call me a Dog Whisperer. ]  Also, watch on day 2 when Pupier starts to walk him forward at heel - moving forward goes to pieces.

 

HM:And, Joan, who says a badly managed dog could never have been taught the Sit and Down basics?

Me: Now why would you twist what I ACTUALLY said and turn it into what only someone ignorant about dogs and dog training could have said? You present yourself as being really smart...smarter than every one here. So why did you misquote me as saying 'never have been taught' ?

HM, I'm pretty sure that I have trained some animals you would never in your wildest imagination believe could be trained, never mind to the degree I succeeded in training them. What have you achieved in the world of animal training that makes you judge ? You need to brush up on your objective reading interpretation.

I'll help you with reading interpretation; This is what I actually stated that you twisted into 180° meaning: "Second, stating the dog is ”(poorly) raised and trained by it's owner" I believe is not obvious. The dog is very obedient to the guy after what appears to be hours of desensitizing.*** A dog does not become so obedient and presise in executing commands in one session****, unless he has had proper foundation and training to begin with*****."


Hm, pay special attention to the **** stars because that is where you screwed up.

I actually wrote "Not a cowardly dog ...but yes a dominant character made more so by the way it has been (poorly) raised and trained ...not shown boundaries". And I did put the rider that I could not put proof to what I was speculating, (no one could, as we were not given sufficient info).

 

Whereas you, Joan, said it was 'not obvious' that I was right. Well I didn't say it WAS "obvious"; I was just saying my interpretation of what the video showed us.

Actually I don't think we are disagreeing much; I realise that you were not saying it was impossible for the dog to know the commands, but you were implying it was unlikely, were you not ? All I am saying (for the benefit of the wider readership, rather than replying specifically to you) is that the dog could have had basic training, does not mean circumstances since then could not have altered whether, and with whom, the dog was choosing to obey those commands IN THE 'NOW'.

 

Don't start trying to pick a swearing match with me just 'cos JonRob has gone away. This is exactly why I have learned not to engage with you directly any more, you pick holes for the sake of starting a fight when you are in a certain mood.

Hund, he is French, not French Canadian. I googled his info. Yes, like his training style, though no doubt there are things he's doing that aren't shown on the videos.

HM, tell you what. You stop making up things that are rediculous and putting me as the author, and I won't have any reason to come back and set the record straight.

And here you go again, making up stuff, saying I'm starting a 'swearing match'. Making up things about anything I said is not 'picking holes'....its staightning out your misinformation pertaining to me.