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Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 28 July 2016 - 11:07

He is a super nice dog. He just wants to work for you. The Search Video is the oldest one, he was about 10 months old at that point. The Bark and Hold is the most recent one and the Public Access is six months old. He's fully trained as a mobility dog now and it puts a lot of pressure on a dog. They have to be resilient to undergo that type of work, but what I found even more crucial is to not rush training and get there faster in the end. Shaping and exposure without any expectations up until they are a year old. Then increase the pressure slowly, increase task training in public. Now that he's two and a half years old I've got a dog that is very confident, solid and stable in any situation and whose tasks have become muscle memory.

Maturity plays a huge role in how much pressure they can take and how resilient they truly are. And that is why balance is so very much important. A lot of the more sporty dogs couldn't do it. They are too hectic, they can't settle underneath a table for five minutes. They can't take having to settle and then going straight back to work. They don't have the carity to do it. 

And that's why hard dogs are so valuable for breeding. They need resilience, hardness, stability but they also have to be very biddable and a certain amount of drive. 

 


by Bavarian Wagon on 28 July 2016 - 12:07

Mithuna...I've said this to you before. You lack the ability to be objective because your dog is defensive and you want to believe that it's the best thing. For every person that has my mindset, I'm sure you can find someone that is fine with a 4 month old doing defense work. Personally...I don't know how you can call it defense because there isn't a 4 month old out there that can hold up to REAL pressure from a helper. There isn't a single 4 month old puppy out there that a helper can't run off the field...they're just not mature or strong enough. Hard terms for you to understand as you've never actually worked a dog, you stand next to your dog while a helper is doing things and have absolutely no idea what he's probably doing. You're the prototypical handler.

Let me know what you see once you actually work with helpers on the east coast, west coast, and in the central United States. Not just parrot what you've read on other forums. I know for a fact most successful helpers and trainers aren't roaming forums and spewing information. Once you can learn to just read and accept information instead of just grasping onto the things that sound best to you because they verify what you see in your current dog, you'll be able to learn much more about dog training.

 

Also...I'll post a video when we finally get the video you promised people. That's right. The vidoe YOU SAID you'd post. No one asked you for one, you just offered one...and yet we haven't seen it. And yet since that time, this isn't the first time you've asked for video from someone else. Here's how this works...once you start volunteering your own videos, you can start asking others for their own. Notice how I've never asked anyone for video...just look at what is offered.


by gsdstudent on 28 July 2016 - 13:07

the "Johnny Cochrane Firm'' is waiting for mithuna's post also. He sould never post anything, anywhere after everything he has stated on this chat room about the poor behavior of his dog. do not feed the trolls.

by Bavarian Wagon on 28 July 2016 - 13:07

Yeah I know gsdstudent, I really like having these types of discussions, don't mind talking with people who have other opinions on the matter who have actually done it. But when you get the "well this one person that I won't name, have never met, have never actually watched worked dogs, and have no idea what his success rate is, said this" it gets old and annoying really quick.

I don't care that there are people out there with differing opinions. It's fine to have them, and they probably have them because they've had some success with them. But when you get people commenting/questioning you who have openly admitted to not having done a thing...it's hard to keep a decent discussion going.

I also have no idea where people truly discuss helper work and training online...it's such a "need to be there" type of activity that I've yet to stumble upon a serious forum where good discussion occurs on the topic. Most people that "know" tend not to talk much about the actual practical parts of it.


Mithuna

by Mithuna on 28 July 2016 - 15:07

BW
I am assuming that English is your first language.
I have never said about a puppy at 4 months old doing defensive bite work, so the tirade about such a puppy being run off a field by a helper is irrelevant. I simply said that the defensive drive can show as early as 4 months, but because of the absolute immaturity ( physical and mental ) this defense looks like unsureness; at maturity many of these dogs carry a strong fight as well. I also said that people on internet forums ( and to name them here: working dogs, protection dogs, and alpine K9 ) have said this. Do you have any proof that these people don't own or work dogs? The idea that a " real " trainer is so hands busy that he has no time to be on the internet is complete BS. So based on your logic I would have to assume that all the users here on PBD ( Duke, Gee, Hans, BM, etc ) are not real trainers because they have found time to be on the internet? The idea that the trainers I spoke to must have been an internet source is equally ridiculous...don't people travel, don't we make social contacts and get referrals? How about speaking on the phone?

BTW, I don't have a 4 month old puppy and I make a choice to like a different flavor of GSD.

by Bavarian Wagon on 28 July 2016 - 15:07

I know you haven't been anywhere but your little island. You've made it quite clear in your posts. Phone is the same thing as internet. Real training and discussion happens in person. You watch a dog work, watch a trainer work, ask questions, listen to them, right there. There is no way a helper/trainer can convey "what they see" that leads them to react in a certain way. Until you understand what a helper believes is a "dog showing defense/prey/whatever" you can't understand what they do to either bring it out or balance it and on top of that...WHY.

Your assumption about English being my first language is incorrect. Just because I know proper grammar doesn't mean it wasn't learned later in life.

You wouldn't have any idea what insecurity or "real defense" looks like in a 4 month old puppy or a 5 year old dog, so you're the last person that should be commenting on such a thing. Fight drive...another questionable statement. Most people that subscribe to your favorite theory of protection training see one particular person as their hero...the funny part of that is that he has written about how he doesn't believe in a "fight drive" and if there is such a thing it stems from prey and not defense. Yet none of them have actually read his work and don't know that about the man. Fight, aggression, defense are just better sounding words to the "macho" out there and so they prefer to use them rather than prey.

The reason I tell you to go out and train is that so few people on there have the same definition of prey/defense/aggression/fight that when speaking to them through the phone or internet, you actually have no idea what they might be referring to. All you're hearing is the buzz word, the vocabulary word, and not seeing if the helper/trainer is actually referring to the same thing you believe that word means.

by gsdstudent on 28 July 2016 - 16:07

God bless you mithuna, love johnny cochrane frim

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 30 July 2016 - 05:07

BUMP for the benefit of another OP with a raging 4-month old !





 


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