Off Leash Siberian Husky Scarlet - Page 2

Hex don't mean to burst yr bubble but I am more interested in training talk than whatever you think I might be interested in. Off leash dogs in public is simply a poor dog ownership choice regardless of pro-trainers advertising a demo vid. I am only guessing, but I believe the concept of a page only works if the dog has established an association with a subsequent frying ie page no comply fry. Page comply no fry $100 I am right.

Just curious Panzer why you're wearing sunglasses in the store?  If you have a medical condition then I apologize but I would think you'd want your dog to see your eyes, not just feel the pager but look at you!

vk4gsd, I know you like to talk training...don't know what you thought I was referring to.  You like to talk training to the degree wherein you'll cast bait to try d initiate a discussion...so here ya' go. 

No, a dog doesn't have to have been 'fried', as you put it, to respond to a paging collar--my two old girls weren't, but admittedly they were already trained [without electric] long before they started going deaf, and thus long before they were exposed to the pager collar. 

The first time I used the paging collar on either of them, they showed the same initial respose: to 'shiver' their skin as if a bug was crawling on them...and then they looked at me questioningly, which is exactly what I wanted them to do. Both dogs knew a variety of hand signals--I train my dogs to both verbal and physical cues--and all I wanted the pager to do was get their attention so they'd pause and look at me. When they did so, I could signal them what I wanted--say, shoo them away from something I didn't want them messing with, or come back into the house, or [most importantly, for my purposes] to stop where they were. I'd had two instances where I'd let the dogs out into the fenced yard in the wee hours of the morning BEFORE I'd noticed there was a skunk passing through, and I didn't want to experience that again--I needed the eventually stone-deaf dogs to stop moving if [when] it happened again. The vibration was sufficient redirect their attention from the critter moving out of the shadows and back to me, and saved me from additional episodes of sponging dogs down with a solution of dish liquid, hydrogen peroxide and sodium bicarbonate at 3 a.m. in the early spring or fall. 

So it's most certainly NOT necessary to have established an avoidance behavior to electric stimulation in order to have a dog acknowledge a pager sensation, and the pager isn't being used as a correction--it's just a tactile signal for the dog to redirect her focus on the handler and follow their cue. The vibration sensation may startle or just puzzle the dog initially, and he will most likely look to the handler in an attempt to understand what it just felt--at which point, the dog is verbally rewarded for giving the action we were seeking, and then given the next direction.  It's just a matter of teaching the dog to associate the vibration with looking to the handler. Not rocket science. 

And vk, I DID say right up front that I'm not a fan of off-lead dogs in public places, no matter how much control their handler believes they have over their dog. I don't think the woman who this pair stopped short in front of was very pleased about the handler dropping the dog without any warning, for one thing. I'm also curious as to the use of the 'In Training' harness on the dog, and the dark glasses on the handler...makes me wonder if the wasn't some intention to make it appear that this was a service dog or leader dog in training, and if it is not such, I take issue with implying it to be so.

Interesting explanation of how a pager can be utilised, I have never seen one. Thanks. I must say I suggest others may use it differently and less benign.

Off leash dogs in public should never be acceptable even in those stupid dog park thingies.

Took my old girl to a horse show this morning, horse people have JRT's as the dog of choice. Sitting on a stump sharing ice-cream with my dog minding my own biz and a loose JRT comes up puffy and snarly,my girl tensed, she was waiting for this dog to come into striking range and she would have killed it, no noise just quick death.

I choked her off her feet and kicked this frikkin dog and sent it flying, the owner got all alpha male on me, he looked kinda funny in skin tight jodhpurs I laughed.

I agree on the  randon dog park thing Vk4gsd!  Happens alll  too much round here! Plus people don't pick up their dog's sh@%

vk, I imagine those you're thinking of purchased a combination e-collar that has a pager mode as one of it's functions, then.  Can't use e-stim if the collar doesn't have the function.

Yeah, I remember the loose JRTs at the horse shows...just like the loose Heelers that I run into at the stockyards these days. Giant pain in the patoot most of the time; and I don't blame the dog--it's the owners who don't bother to keep even half an eye on their own dogs and then bitch when somebody else goes after their dog for charging a leashed dog, or worse yet for diving at the feet of a horse someone is on board.

Not a fan of little kids running loose like in public, either, if their parents aren't actively wrangling them.

Patoot - I have a new word, I think I will modify it to patootski tho, sounds better.

Double post.

Yah, patootski is an acceptable variation...usually used more affectionately than patoot.