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Rik

by Rik on 29 October 2019 - 17:10

What does the GSD lack?

Good breeders and a serious parent club


by duke1965 on 30 October 2019 - 01:10

KNPV dogs are mostly mixes of mixes,almost no such thing as a pure malinois in KNPV, 

being realistic I agree with higher agility of mali and/or mix mali, endurance is debatable, many high drive malis burn their batteries to fast, but in the end it is all about quality of the individual dog, not the breed as a whole

this week I am working with a client testing 40 plus dogs for detection, majority and best dogs are GSDXmalinois crosses and pure GSD ,, but stories like the dog who took down isis leader will make clients ask for malinois unfortunately  LOL


BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 30 October 2019 - 03:10

Only a fool believes this LOL The navy seals select dog who are the best for the job and this are by far the X Malinois . In KNPV breeders don.t went GSD in their cross mixes anymore because it will lose quality. Duke who always was negativ about malinois breed and sell malinois now for business very hypocrit IMO. Have seen and tested decoyed many dogs but the best GSD come not even close to the best X (FCI)mali everbody know this in Holland and a good dog is a good dog but I know where to find good dogs same as police here and Navy Seals in the US   Even for tracking detection work they need very high drives and dogs who don.t give up to the end where  a lot of GSD lack in hunting drives  is my personal experience I don.t say all X mali are rockstars  they don.t  But everybody has different opinions and religions so be it . The only danger now is supply and demand market and malinois become too much popular here will quality lose very soon that always do with comercial breeding 


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 30 October 2019 - 04:10

Re BlackMal's off topic - yeah, but is she a) hugely oversized ? b) credited with usually being the sort of extreme man-stopper enhanced weapon dog some are looking for; or usually just an average patrol dog ? We need to know. Don't suppose her handler will be allowed to comment publicly, however !

by duke1965 on 30 October 2019 - 04:10

the problem with you BM is that your source of information is very biased and limited, and the KNPV dogs only fill maybe 5% of worldwide LE demand, other countries are way more influental in providing dogs for LE

most, if not all dutch K9 centers heavily rely on dogs from central europe to get their numbers, and EVERYBODY in LE world knows that,generally speaking, GSD have better detection skills than malinois, and most breeders in central europe that breed for LE produce large numbers of GSD and GSD/mali crosses

my breedingprogram is mainly pedigree GSD and one occasional litter of malimix, and yes I will also sell a malinois if I find a good one, same as dutchie, labrador and so on


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 30 October 2019 - 04:10

Koots - OK, and see MY response to ValK on P5.
Was first to mention blue alopecia. As I said there, don't know of anything ELSE linked to colour blue. And really, how many cases of blue alopecia do we actually get in GSDs ? It is hardly an everyday occurence ( with a higher incidence in some other breeds that experience it); and if you are the unlucky owner of a blue dog WITH alopecia there is little or no suspicion / linkage to other (GSD) health problems asssociated. Except, I would say, the Epilepsy risk; but that has been caused by the over-breeding of the limited genepool used for 'rare' pets, so if you are avoiding those lines / kennels, should usually be fine. More bad luck in any colour of the breed, stops them being suitable for breeding, Show, etc. Alopecia still seems to me a pretty slim reason for rejecting the colour; not that I personally care, as I have said elsewhere, I don't like the dilutes aesthetically.


Hired Dog

by Hired Dog on 30 October 2019 - 06:10

Hundmutter, its a HE and not over-sized, depending on what standards you are looking at. You dont want a HUGE dog that is cumbersome to jump with or crawl into a tight space, but, you dont want anything tiny either.
Temperament is what is important here, drives, nerves, etc.
Now, who would want an "average patrol dog"? Ask any cop working K9 if they have an average patrol dog and they will get offended.

I can tell you that for sure its above average, I have no idea what "weaponized" really means in the K9 world. I can also tell you for sure that we dont need to know...these units are classified for a reason, let them remain that way.

by apple on 30 October 2019 - 06:10

Valk,
You ask why would you need such an extreme dog. To me, that is like asking why would you want a Michael Jordan on your basketball team. There is no Malinazation of the GSD in breeding. The genetics are not there to begin with. Maybe you are saying you are seeing GSDs with more extreme prey drive and that lack aggression, but that is to accommodate IGP. For me, the best of both breeds have different drive packages. The best Mals, Mal/DS X's have extreme prey and hunt, great nerves, a degree of dominance and a forward competitive aggression (fight drive.) The best GSDs have very good prey and hunt drive, good active aggression and strong defensive aggression meaning they are genetically hardwired to bite first in a violent manner at the first perception of a significant threat without training. Overall, the Mal variations are far more healthy, but have a much greater variation in type. The working line GSD is more consistent in type and a better looking dog, but at the expense of working ability because physical appearance has always been such a factor in the breed, more or less so at different points in history. The GSD is more of a good pick up truck and the Mal is more of a Ferrari. Having said that, my current dog is a GSD.

by apple on 30 October 2019 - 07:10

Hundmutter,
All we know about the dog responsibly for cornering babydaddi, is that he saw the dog and ran down a tunnel and blew himself up. The mere sight of the dog was the main factor. I doubt the dog was an oversized manstopper because many of the police and military do not want such a dog and that is why they are becoming less bred for.

Koots

by Koots on 30 October 2019 - 09:10

Hund - I never mentioned GSD in ANY of my posts on this thread. I am ONLY speaking to the OP's question about breeding a BLUE MAL. I gave a GENETIC, MEDICAL reason to not breed a BLUE MAL.  This is but one genetic reason to not breed a blue Mal, there may be others which have not yet been revealed, other than aesthetics.






 


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