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Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 16 June 2017 - 18:06

So funny... I've got seriously high drive dogs and they can absolutely live as Pets without any and all training whatsoever for quite a while.

The occasional game of fetch for exercise is not a problem at all either.

Currently my dogs get very little training because of my mobility issues. Specifically my little black bitch is the least trained dog of all of them. She basically knows sit and thats it. Knows how to walk on a leash and had very little bitework nd some foundation work in detection. But other than that, she's far behind all the other dogs her age.

I never had an issue keepling my dogs as pets with long periods of doing nothing at all. That's what I love about this breed. This breed is highly adaptable. Whether its high activity, low activity, with yard, without yard... they can adapt.

by beetree on 16 June 2017 - 18:06

I like your sense of humor. Good post. Thumbs Up


susie

by susie on 16 June 2017 - 19:06

So you are willing to sell your "high drive" puppies to people living in an apartment, not willing to educate and "entertain" their future dog? The kind of human who is yelling "come here" 10000times although it´s cristal clear the dog won´t listen?
Thinking about your basics you know how to educate working dogs, and how to keep them "in line".
Most people do not know - and at that point ( no education combined with no exercise ) the problems begin...
Why do you think there are that many GSDs in US shelters? Even "expensive" dogs?
Because most people don´t know how to deal with them.


by beetree on 16 June 2017 - 19:06

The point is, the right type of dog person with the wrong yard is better than the wrong type of dog person with the right yard, and the dog with the right type of dog person will adapt to its living set up.

All types of dogs end up in USA shelters for all sorts of reasons. 

It is a very sad GSD who is abandoned in a shelter. They are too smart and bond so tightly that the stress makes them poor showings for prospective adopters. The best breeders will want to have a screening process for suitability. But the most important human trait needed is a commitment to their dog's well-being, and that is not always identified correctly, even as a breeder trait.


susie

by susie on 16 June 2017 - 19:06

In case of the GSD the "right type of dog person" certainly is not the "classic type of pet dog person" -
a yard doesn´t matter as long as the dog gets enough exercise ( back to "avtive" and "entertaining" )...

A"working dog" to feel well/balanced needs a different owner than a regular pet dog breed.

Once again, why do you think that many GSDs do end in shelters?

Too much drive, too much temperament, not willing to "listen" to the " nice and friendly " owner, destroying the carpets out of boredom, chasing the postman and the neighbourhood kids out of lack of education...

All of them bought by people who thought "it´s just a dog, maybe it´s even the reincarnation of Rintintin".

susie

by susie on 16 June 2017 - 19:06

Don´t misunderstand me - no GSD needs to participate in IPO or anything else to become a "good dog" -
but ( at least the GSDs I know ) need a handler they are willing to respect, a handler who is willing to educate them, a handler who is willing to satisfy their needs.
GSDs are not only able to become a pain in the ass, but they able to become very dangerous - for the own family, for friends, for strangers all of this not the fault of the dogs, but the fault of naive owners, not realizing the difference between a pet dog and a working dog breed.
I always feel sorry for these dogs - they deserve better...

On the other hand people own sled dogs, but don´t race, they own hunt dogs, but don´t hunt - later on the complain their sled dog doesn´t listen, destroys the apartment, the hunt dog runs away, trying to hunt -

who cares...we are humans, we are allowed to do whatever we want to do to animals.


by beetree on 16 June 2017 - 21:06

Obviously, you care very much, and so do plenty of the folks here (and everywhere). Usually it is a matter of outreach with education to implement change and that is pretty universal about any sort of ongoing problem that persists within human society.

Frustrating, true, but there are success stories. Getting those to add up one by one, would be a doable way to foster change for a positive goal for the big picture.

And to answer your question, sure, lots of high drive GSD's are too much dog for unwilling or incapable owners. But the same can be said for some foo-foo dogs and some owners! I can't for the life of me understand how folks who are plopping down $1500-$2000 for a puppy will surrender them as often as they do, no matter what the breed.

Still, it is the breeder who ultimately lets them go to their new homes, they are in the best position to educate, support and determine who deservedly gets their pup, unless their only criteria asked of a prospective owner is if they are able to meet their asking price. Some breeder's get fooled, I know! I read kitkat found one of her pups had changed owners and ended up on craig's list. It isn't perfect from either POV. Any way—

You probably said why you think the SV is changing the rules, because they want more people involved with showing and titling more GSD's than what is seen now? (I didn't read all 11 pages of this thread thus far). And the thinking is that if the rules were less strict then the numbers will grow, but you see a problem that the breed will not grow in quality, only quantity? Makes no sense to me for the country of origin of the GSD to be changing their requirements to attract foreigner interest that will result in an inferior dog. There must be something else to it. Why would your fellow German's change, when they are the benchmark and also the original source? Aren't there still more GSD's born in Germany than anywhere else?

Setting up a need for the people/owners and the dogs to both be eltists is not a valid, or a practical reality. And I don't think it was something ever intended by Max, either. Competent and responsible, yes. Why can't that be the definition of a "classic pet person"? But not elite, well, except for some, there are always those exceptional ones— be they two or four legged.


by Das Holz on 18 June 2017 - 23:06

Train for working only and start your own line to better the breed for working dogs only, if we do this you will not need to go elsewhere for the dogs you need. Real breeders will get together and breed the dogs they need to do the work. Look at the dogs in the KNPV most all if not all the last few years have been mixes. So breed the dogs that work and stay away from the rest.

kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 20 June 2017 - 08:06

The bottom line is $$$.
If they lower the bar, they hoping more people will participate in the trials. Success is within reach to more people this way.
The breeders that care about the breed are going to continue to produce what they consider dogs that fulfill the betterment standard.
Those that breed the top sport dogs are going to conduct business as usual, their standards are already set.
There is more than just Suzie who feels the breed needs to remain a working dog first, and they gonna stick to their guns about it.
They just hoping more people will participate.
I myself find it quite disheartening to see some of the showline dogs coming out of Germany, being bred by breeders that are also judges. Confirmation leaves alot to be desired.
Greed is not just an American thing. People put the dollar ahead of everything else.

by duke1965 on 27 June 2017 - 06:06

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK4mU_keeQ0&feature=youtu.be

just took the time to look at this video completely, and wondered after this is installed and this is replacing the IPO 1 as a minimum breeding requirement, what percentage of the german dogs still will be titled IPO1 minimal, after that







 


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