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by jettasmom on 17 September 2020 - 07:09

Duke Nice to hear you got a nice litter.

The gene pool is small in regards to the type of GSD that once was. From what I see most are great at one venue but suck at others. Why breed for one venue? I’ve seen excellent high level dogs in the field but take them off the field and they fall apart as far as environmental, temperament and zero off switch yet they are bred left and right due to big name handlers or kennels. That’s all fine but that makes the gene pool small to find a versatile GSD to do well in all venues but for me most important is a solid Temperament environmental, nerves, hardness, drives (on and off switch) and health are what I love. With those qualities you can get a GSD that can excell in all venues.

Time will tell if I breed my male since he’s still young and currently going for IGP titles as well as titles in other venues but his qualities is what the GSD need.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 17 September 2020 - 07:09

Jetta, how many dogs do you actually get to see? Because the majority of breeders I know from NY, MA, NH all the way to VA and PA have versatile dogs that work as actual SDs, SAR life and/or HRD, Police dogs (Patrol and/or Detection) are involved in any type of sport you can possibly think off from Herding to IPO to Ring to AKC sports... how much more versatile does it have to be?

The better bred collaboration actually stated that the GSD is not as bad off as we think it is and that there is enough diversity within the breed. The issue is that most breeders that want to breed for High volume “die hard” working dogs would likely not utilize these tools because “its just another thing” to consider the genetic COI of a dog “and not proven to work”.

Where is your evidence that "many" are only good at one venue? Because I am over here looking at my dogs that are versatile af. 

 


by jettasmom on 17 September 2020 - 08:09

No need to get defensive BE, being versatile to me means competing in diff venues where you can see the dog work. Yes, training is diff for other venues so competing and training for 1 venue at a time is most anyone can do.

I’ve seen many dogs over the years in diff sporting events. Some are titled for example PSA, IGP AkC for me that is a dog that is versatile and can add to the gene pool.

You say your dogs are versatile af, guessing they are is fine you know them better but are they titled in diff venues? Are your pups titled in different venues? Now a breeder who breeds a litter that when grown compete in diff venues is awesome. Ex.. one pup does AKC, one pup does OGP one pup does SAR that is a versatile litter but the right sire and dam produced that litter.
So you need IMO a solid sire and or dam titled in diff venues.

I also believe a handler should title their own breeding stock and yes titles aren’t everything but if your true to the breed you see what you have to consider that dog for breeding. Yes, not everyone can title their own breeding stock but if you do then I’m more inclined to buy a puppy from that breeder.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 17 September 2020 - 09:09

I am not being defensive at all. Versatility is more than just a bunch of titles. Many people choose to only compete in one venue because they want to be competitive in that particular venue. That doesn't mean the dog is not versatile. IPO has three phases. It's hard enough to get to a respectable level and stay at that level without having to worry about another sport. If someone wants to be highly competitive, they have to be great at that particular sport and most of the time there is neither time or money to do another sport. Now, if they achieved what they wanted, they might move onto another sport and start there.

Versatility means that a dog could be a Search Dog, or Police Dog, or Service dog, or Sport dog. It doesn't mean that a dog has to be titled in a whole bunch of different things. Versatility is proven by dogs being in different venues. If you have a litter where a couple dogs are in sport, another couple in Search and Rescue, one as a Service dog, a Police dog and maybe a couple pets, That's versatility. It doesn't mean that the Service Dog couldn't also be a Sport Dog, or that the Search Dog couldn't be a Service Dog. It means that people choose a dog for a specific purpose and the dogs could absolutely participate in another venue.

 


bladeedge

by bladeedge on 17 September 2020 - 10:09

B.E.
It doesn't mean that the Service Dog couldn't also be a Sport Dog, or that the Search Dog couldn't be a Service Dog. It means that people choose a dog for a specific purpose and the dogs could absolutely participate in another venue.

Imo it does. Police dog need natural aggression. A service dog imo cannot have any. Imo a service dog needs to be cam and patient sports dogs imo are the opposite. A pp dog need aggression hardness and a certain amount of dominance And so on. And imo alot comes for different genetics. By the way this is ony a few things iv pointed out. 


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 17 September 2020 - 11:09

Imo it does. Police dog need natural aggression. A service dog imo cannot have any. Imo a service dog needs to be cam and patient sports dogs imo are the opposite. A pp dog need aggression hardness and a certain amount of dominance And so on. And imo alot comes for different genetics. By the way this is ony a few things iv pointed out. 

 

Natural Aggression does not equal an Aggressive Dog!


bladeedge

by bladeedge on 17 September 2020 - 11:09

It's not supposed too

by ValK on 17 September 2020 - 11:09

"Natural Aggression does not equal an Aggressive Dog!"

somewhat self-contradictory statement :)

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 17 September 2020 - 12:09

Am I actually in the right place here?

bladeedge

by bladeedge on 17 September 2020 - 12:09

Iv been wondering that my self BE. You seem to be way off. Imo you make little sense. Just rambling about what you do and forced opinions. Which alot seem to disagree with 😏





 


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