starting leg work - Page 4

joan looking back at my old clips with the rope and harness etc.....yes well, looks a bit hokey to say the least.

after that session when the decoy left I let the dog run off leash to chill, he disappeared around the corner while I packed the gear up and a lady with her kids appeared, I look out for cars etc to train away from the public but they walked in.

dog just went up and sniffed them and licked the kid. the dog has spent literally hundreds of hours at dog shows and training at the local show club, he is a bit of star with people that want to pet him etc after seeing his flashy obed.

the locals know the dog and appreciate him, the dog does work in public, that be high risk paid work.

the main GSD org here banned IPO in the bigger (population) states. they are very reminiscent of some of the attitudes here generating public fear with of out of control killer dogs eating children yada yada.

of course the real reason they got IPO banned is cos their dogs are useless and can't do it. they want the breed to be labs in a gsd body so they can expand their market base into the larger pet market so they excused themselves thru law of having to prove their dogs in the most widely accepted formal breed test.

Control is different when just walked around. When the dog has the urge to rip something apart that's the hardest control. I said I like the dog and what he is doing and encourage in every video and in this video I'm still not running him down. I only gave an opinion on what is expected out of a pp dog with control and obidence. That's what makes it a ppd and not a danger to the public. I will never stop telling people control comes before the bite

I agree with you a hunred percent, yogi. But we only saw a fraction in the video, we didn't even see the end of the session when the handler picks the dog up...we didn't see the approach to the decoy. We only saw a dog during balls out bite work. The op's post at top of this page describes this dog's character.

How about a video of this or any dog like this one that demonstrates control and safety around the public? I'd love to see a dog that can do that in the same video. I've heard the term "clear headed" for years and don't think I've ever really seen that  many dogs on the PDB that can demonstrate that quality as I understand it.  I read about backtying, table training, biting, all of that, but never hear that those dogs will out when told to do so. Is that not part of the training process, maybe the first thing any protection dog should learn? How can a dog that doesn't have any OB morph into a safe dog around the public? Shouldn't every dog "out" when commanded to?

A few years ago at the GSDCA NS we had a Sch 3 GSD that demonstrated various Sch exercises to the crowd and immediately following that several strange kids were invited into the ring to handle and play with that dog.  Would that not be desirable for all GSD's or only those who work in a specific venue.

 

I don't allow people to 'handle' or pet my dogs. These days, if a dog lifts a paw and scratches someone inadvertently, animal control is called and the dog hauled off to the sweat box and the owner is sued for damages and pain and suffering. If people want to handle and pet a dog, let them get their own dog.

For vk4 and joanro from our TOS,

5. carry out personal attacks, be rude, disrespectful, insulting, threatening or abusive publicly to any member of PDB.

 

And vk4 if you have anything to say about my moderation do so in a PM not on the forums, thank you.

Taken from one of Western Riders posts " then they add rudeness and foul language " that's the reason some stop posting vk4 NOT as you said the whiners.

I usually don't either, Joan, for exactly the same reasons, but I'm guessing that our dogs are safe enough and trained well enough that none would tear into a stranger without a command and then refuse to out?

Blitzen, most gsd that are 'trained' in protection don't 'tear into a stranger without command....'

Joanro yes your right about what you say video is only middle. But the control side needs to be as strong as the defence all so need to be shown .We have seen 5 or 6 video the same thing which I have said many times I have loved. But I believe in responsible. And if you advacak a dog like this its your job to show the hardest part of the training control. Other wise there is only a lunatic and I'm not talking about the dog. I also would never encourage anyone to touch my dogs but if it happens I want my dogs to behave impeccable that's the off switch and self control that I installed in the dog .I was on a camping holiday with my wife and kids and the 2 dogs loads of kids and adults running around yes the dogs had to be muzzled park rules but those dog never bugged until told to play football up and down the slide in playground that how a ppd should repasent itself

I didn't mean to infer that an out of control dog was PP trained, Actually I meant it wasn't. Lost in translation again.............

Yogi, your dogs sound like good dogs. The last thing I want is a dog that I can't take on camping trips.