For Those Ridiculing the NRA - Page 8

Hey, RS, I'm not the one who tossed abortion into the discussion, but I damn sure wasn't going to let Basler get away with doing so without challenging the attempt.

You're absolutely entitled to your beliefs on that topic, but that doesn't give you or anyone else the right to determine how I or anyone else views the procedure.  I do agree with you that there are far better, saner means of birth control--but those aren't always 100% effective, and it's not always a woman's choice as to whether she has intercourse or whether she has the opportunity to use actual contraception.  It's easy to sit up high on the moral referee chair when you're able to call the shots in your life, but not all females have that freedom.

And yes, I have seen more than one version of the procedure, and no, it's not pretty in any form--but few medical procedures are.

One more thing--at no time has anyone said that more restrictive gun ownership regulations was 'THE' answer and will solve ALL our problems. As with most things in this world, it's not that simple, and such restrictions are only PART of the solution; there's a LOT more work, a lot more changes, that are necessary if we have any hope of getting out in front of this problem. 

Abortion and no gun control only has one thing in common - right wing rhetoric. Ironically the right wingers don't want anyone telling them which guns, how many they can own legally, but they think it's perfectly fine to try to legislate laws that  tell women what they are allowed to do with their own bodies.

Nice attempt at a spin, Basler, but you are so off topic it's not even funny.

I agree Blitzen... JBasler you often do that as a debating style. You need to up your game and stick to the topic.   Start a new one if you want to compare the issues. Derailing "hot button topics" gets boring. I mean this in a nice way...

GSDAdmin's post... I admit had me in a bit of disgust, until I finally forced myself to click the link, prepared for a hasty retreat, if my eyes became assaulted with the bloodied forms of massacred babies.  Thank goodness it did not do that, but the idea was powerful enough for me. 

I am heartened to read such opinion pieces as they are mirroring my feelings, finally! Time for meaningful changes in America's gun culture.  It's coming, if it isn't already here. 

OK
      So i guess talking about the blood sacrafice of millions of children in America might not be about the NRA. When we talk about the NRA we are talking about our rights.
 
      Isn't abortion about rights also?
     
      I don't think the two are that far off in conversation especially when we aknowledge the mental situations from abortion versus someone killing a person in self defense with a firearm. They both leave good people with mental hauntings. FOR EVER.
 
          I also want everyone to know i am not judging any women for doing what she thinks is right for herself.

"...way to dissemble and redirect toward subjects that have nothing to do with the present topic of discussion, Basler."

Yep, when you can't argue your point on logic, logical fallacies are the next best thing!

I was refraining from getting sucked into this debate but those of you talking about pictures of dead and injured children and the "blood sacrifice" of dead children struck a nerve.

As a paramedic who worked in violent areas such as Detroit where gun violence was pretty commonplace, using the images of dead and injured children to make a point is pretty desperate and low.  I worked on injured and dying children and adults at one time or another more times than I care to count so I know first hand what they look like, sound like, and smell like.  I also listened to the perpetrators and other criminals discuss how great gun control would be since it would eliminate a pesky problem, the armed victim of crime, and therefore make committing crime safer for the criminal.

Another thing I noticed was the times I went on a shooting that turned out to be a would-be victim defending him/herself by shooting the perpetrator never made it into the media.  Having been shot at myself by criminals that were upset that my partner and I were going to mess up their "hit" or had saved a previous "hit", I was glad that my partner was allowed to carry.

Interesting viewpoint on 2nd ammendment and gun control

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis

"I mean really, like criminals obtain their guns legally and register them."

I am not anti-gun...far from it actually and I hold a lifetime concealed carry permit...but just for the sake of argument, where would these criminals get these guns illegally if they weren't able to steal them from citizens who obtained them legally?

Mind hunt, agree with you and understand your viewpoint.

I'm sure that the last thing an armed robber or assailant wants, is to have their victim shoot back at them during the commission of their crime.

To gsdadmin, maybe you did not consider, in your recommendation of making those pic available to the public, how much the sickos of the world would love to be able to see them. I bet they would be the only ones viewing them.

I disagree, look at the Emmett Till pictures, they changed the nation, so only racists looked at his pictures? Very narrowed minded.

Mindhunt,

Right you have seen these things and it has changed you but the average citizen doesn't see these deaths. I don't see many criminals caring if you have a gun or not. Gang members go against gang members and surely they must know that there is a very good chance that the other side is packed. See I don't see the average criminal worrying whether or not you have a gun. And you know come to think of it I have seen accounts of bad guys going into police stations and shooting them up, the thought of running into an armed police officer didn't stop them.

BTW, the 2nd article deals with regular people who were shoot because they had a confrontation with an armed person, not a criminal situation but armed citizens who in a rage was either shot or shot someone.

Prove to me that more guns will mean less crime, I only see more guns and more crime.

I have lost a family member to a raging situation were the gun was used because it was easy.

You want to have legal assault rifles that were made for the sole purpose to kill people, well then don't expect anything less than slaughter when these guns are used in a mass murder. There possibly would have been 100s of dead had this guy had another 15 minutes in that school.