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by Shtal on 20 March 2013 - 22:03
Here is some more good scriptures :-)
Acts Chapter 2:21
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Isaiah Chapter 45:22
Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
Isaiah Chapter 52:10
The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
by GSDguy08 on 20 March 2013 - 23:03
GSDguy,,Should we also take from this verse 1Timothy 2:3 that God only wants all men to be saved?..It says all men..This is a perfect example of my point. We know from reading the "whole" of scripture that it is referring to men and women, but if we were to pluck that verse out without comparing to other scripture it could give one the impression it is referring to only men..
The, " all men" simply means NOT JUST JEWS, but gentiles as well..Jew and Gentiles...Gentile meaning the whole rest of the world Indians, Greeks, Chinese , Canadians,,lol,,and so on.., Remember a huge part of Christ ministry was about salvation being made available to those other than just Jews...
Also, are we to take from this verse that God desires something, but is unable to obtain it??...You must believe this logic, because you know that there are those who will perish ..You believe that God has unobtainable desires,,,I think that is utterly foolish and it is most certainly not biblical. God has no unobtainable desires because He is God..period!
Yes, I do believe that all are born in a sinful state,,lol,,Fully equipped and intact to sin..
And Ruger are you absolutely kidding me? For one when It says all men, yes I believe all people on earth. You just restated my thoughts when it meant all people on earth and you mentioned others of other races, etc so I have no clue why you're even arguing there. And secondly how on earth can you argue by reading the inspired Scripture, that CLEARLY states He wishes all would be saved?
So all born in a sinful state? Please, tell me the passages that "prove this".
by Ruger1 on 21 March 2013 - 00:03
who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
The Jews where Gods chosen people and the New Testament teaches that God has made salvation available to the Jews as well..So this verse is evidence of that fact. ~ALL MEN TO BE SAVED~ God will do the choosing from among all men (the Jew and the Gentile).. same as He did the Old Testament, but now it is not exclusive to Jews only... God does not change,,He still operates the same way..
So when the verse says "all men" it DOES NOT mean that God desires all men that were ever born to be saved, it means that God will save from among all men///not just Jews,,,
As far as all being born in a sinful state...Ever hear of Adam ,,??..lol..
Jeremiah 17:9
Romans 3:10−26
Romans 5:12−19
Psalm 51:5
Ephesians 2:2&3
by Two Moons on 21 March 2013 - 01:03
That would be funny if it wasn't always a part of the master plan from the beginning.
Including the child abuse from birth, sin my ass.
What you do, you know not.
by Ruger1 on 21 March 2013 - 01:03
Disagreement is to be expected,,
It will all work out..
by Hundmutter on 21 March 2013 - 04:03
they are leaving other posts to continue without interuption !
Go for it, you guys.
by Shtal on 21 March 2013 - 04:03
1st Timothy, chapter 2 verses 3-4 says.
2:3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
Translation1:
2:3 This is good and pleasing in the eyes of God our Saviour; 2:4 Whose desire is that all men may have salvation and come to the knowledge of what is true.
Interpretation1:
2.3 And so we will/should pray for all, including the kings and rulers of all - well and acceptable to God. It is well in itself and it pleased God our Savior. The fact that Paul here calls God the Savior; hidden deep meaning. God wants all men to be saved. Therefore pray for all - means to promote the fulfillment of His will in this regard.
2.4 The following explains what is said in verse 3. God wants all men to be saved (Ezekiel 33.11, John. 3.16, 2 Pet. 3.9). Therefore, we must pray for all people everywhere.
In these verses its clearly/obviously we see the divine and human aspects of salvation. The first part states that a person must be saved. He couldn’t do it on his own, that God must save him. This is the Divine aspect of salvation. In order to be saved, one must attain the knowledge of the truth. God does not save anyone by force. Man must come to Him “Jesus” that he who said, "I am the way and the truth and the life." It is the human aspect to come.
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1st Timothy, chapter 2 verses 1-2 says.
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men; 2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
by Ruger1 on 21 March 2013 - 09:03
I have said all that can be said about Timothy 2:3-4 And regardless of who the word "world" is referring to read the verses below because this is what the scriptures says about them,,Now what would you all suggest we do about these verses,,Oh and look here scripture using the very words you all hate!...
predestined and election,, :)
Romans 9:11
though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God’s purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls...
Ephesians 1:5-6
he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved...
Ephesians 1:4
even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love ..
Deuteronomy 7: 6-8
For you are a people holy to the Lord your God. The Lord your God has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. 7 It was not because you were more in number than any other people that the Lord set his ...
Romans 8 29-39
And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose. 29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many ...
Romans 8:7
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot...
Corinthians 2:14
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned...
John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:65
And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father...
John 6:37
All that he Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out...
John 17:6-8
I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word. 7 Now they know that everything that you have given me is from you. 8 For I have given them the words that you gave me, ...
John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day...
Corinthians 1:9
God is faithful, by whom you were called into the fellowship of his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord...
Galatians 1:15
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,...
Ephesians 1:18
having the eyes of your hearts enlightened, that you may know what is the hope to which he has called you, what are the riches of his glorious inheritance in the saints,...
John 3 :3-8
Jesus answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.” 4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6 that which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”....
John 1:13
who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.....
by gouda on 21 March 2013 - 10:03
Lets start with Romans 9:11.
The Biblical noun elect refers to those who are chosen,ELECTION means the process of choosing.
Words which refer to Gods electing or choosing people are used in three different ways.
Terms for election sometimes describes Gods choice of a person to do a special task.
For example,in vv. 10-13 God chose Jacob instead of Esau to be the line of descent through
whom the people of Israel would emerge.
Eph. 1:3-6 describes Gods choice of what He would make out of those who believe in Christ.
Before the foundation of the world God determined that those who believed would be made
holy and addopted as His children. They would be Christ like ROMANS 8:29,30.
Have a wonderfull day Deana
Your friend in Christ
gouda
by Ruger1 on 21 March 2013 - 11:03
You and others will not get away from the obvious no matter how hard you try,,And now that it has been brought up to the fore front of your mind I trust you will see it every time you read,,,,I am happy to have had this opportunity to share,,If God chooses not to reveal these truths at this time there is always tomorrow,...
Unfortunately at this time it won't matter what I post because you all are not prepared to hear,,It is very hard to undo years of theological brainwashing,,Sorry but it is true..But, if you seek the scripture and ask God to reveal His Word I trust that He will show you...
Deanna,,
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