Are protection dogs more dangerous then untrained one? - Page 4

Pedigree Database

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

Premium classified

This is a placeholder text
Group text

by joanro on 07 October 2018 - 12:10

Pragre: . The point of this thread is that ***well trained PP dog is SAFER then very same dog which is not trained.****



How in the heck can that statement ever be proven?!!! It's impossible to prove!

Any protection trained dog can be used improperly, and can be dangerous with the WRONG HANDLER!

The same dog can be put with the right HANDLER as in ** competent ** handler, and the dog can be safe!

Happens in police k9 departments all around the world, I would venture to say.

by duke1965 on 07 October 2018 - 13:10

most PP dogs are named such because of training, not natural ability,, the ones with natural ability are safer after training

Prager I feel your pain, asking a question and getting all commends but no answer to question, almost like in Dutch parliamentWink Smile


by joanro on 07 October 2018 - 13:10

Agree, but it still comes down to handler ability, rather than the amount of ' protection' training.

I have two ' naturally protective' dogs that have not had any ' protection' training but control obedience training. With me handling them, they are very safe. Obedience training is the most important training for any dog.

by ValK on 07 October 2018 - 14:10

Joan, what if handler absent or incapable?

Prager, you're right and my apology for steering away subject of topic.
in regard of initial question - safety of others in proximity of PP trained dog foremost depends on dog's intelligence, ability to correctly assess situation and be in good selfcontrol.

by joanro on 07 October 2018 - 15:10

Valk: Joan, what if handler absent or incapable?

What about it?
That is too broad a statement.
Are you asking; If I'm not with my dog and he is in public all by him self?
That is not going to happen.
Or you are asking, someone breaks in to my yard and I'm not home?
They will get torn up and deserve it if they are so stupid to advance on a threatening dog. With a naturally protective' dog, it does not matter about the training if no handler is home....same result.
Different matter if the dog is only ' trained to perform protection routine' when he is not naturally protective, and same scenario as above and no handler present.


Prager

by Prager on 07 October 2018 - 15:10

OK I reformulate and restate the question(s). (BTW Thank you Duke)
If all is being the same; the well-trained handler, the training of the dog - like obedience and socialization, the environment and the genetics of the dog which are correct for the training of such dog,...all of it, besides one such dog is correctly trained personal protection and the other is not. Which dog is safer. The dog trained personal protection or the dog not trained personal protection? And why some people believe that untrained dog is safer than a trained dog.

by ValK on 07 October 2018 - 15:10

Joan, watchdog and personal protection dog are quite apart in their purposes.
if you feel like better not to leave your PP dog in public with no supervision, it's already indication you have little to no trust into reliability of your dog. thus such dog poses danger to neutral, non threatening surrounding, regardless dog was trained for PP or not.
good, suitable for PP dog was always been hard to find.

by ValK on 07 October 2018 - 15:10

Prager, it's all boils up back to dog and how that particular dog was tested and evaluated before PP training begin.
depending on this, the outcome can be both - danger and safe.

yogidog

by yogidog on 07 October 2018 - 16:10

There is not going to be an answer that suits the question be to many factors involved life of the dog before pp when you put an adult dog in a crate to fly for 8, 19 how many hour you like stress that the dog has never experienced is going to effect his behaviour. Most dogs are not use to flying the take off messes me up never mind the dog.

by joanro on 07 October 2018 - 16:10


Pragre: OK I reformulate and restate the question(s). (BTW Thank you Duke)
If all is being the same; the well-trained handler, the training of the dog - like obedience and socialization, the environment and the genetics of the dog which are correct for the training of such dog,...all of it, besides one such dog is correctly trained personal protection and the other is not. Which dog is safer. The dog trained personal protection or the dog not trained personal protection? And why some people believe that untrained dog is safer than a trained dog.



Much better perramaters and better formulated question.
Based on the perramaters, both will be equally safe.
Good genetics, good obedience, good handler.....nothing dictates the dog must have protection training.
If the dog which receives the protection training, assuming the training was correct and not typical crap that is common for 'personal protection' training, then there is no reason the dog trained in ' protection' would not remain as safe as before the training.
You have an argument in your favor to promote selling trained personal protection dogs, but not every one wants to buy into the game. People with more money and time on their hands who want to impress their friends, will bite.
Others who live normal lives and want what has been traditional for generations, require a sound dog that will do what dogs have been bred to do...hunting land or water fowel, coon hunting, or a gsd to hang out with the children and be there protector...without needing thousands of dollars set asside to do what the dog has been traditionally bred for.

And contrary to well bred, sound dogs,
here is an example as to why people should NOT go to a so called ' shelter' to get a dog for ' protection'....the people running the shelters are so ignorant about dogs, it is common to read about these tradgedies caused by ' newly adopted' dogs;

A Las Vegas man came home from work Monday night to find his wife of 26 years mauled to death by the family’s newly adopted dog.

What happened moments before the attack remained unknown Friday. Susan Sweeney, 58, was home alone when their 3-year-old rescue dog attacked her on the 5000 block of River Splash Avenue, said city of Las Vegas spokesman David Riggleman.

The woman’s husband, Patrick, arrived home from work shortly before 11:40 p.m. Monday and found her dead in their living room, according to the Metropolitan Police Department and the Clark County coroner’s office.

She was declared dead about 1:05 a.m. Tuesday in the home. The coroner’s office ruled her death an accident by mauling.

“This is really a mystery because she was home alone,” Riggleman said Friday. “I can’t even imagine what that poor man thought when he walked in that house.”

The spokesman said the mastiff-perro de presa canario mix was taken by city of Las Vegas animal control and was euthanized at the request of the Sweeney family. The dog had been adopted a few days before the attack from the Animal Foundation.





 


Contact information  Disclaimer  Privacy Statement  Copyright Information  Terms of Service  Cookie policy  ↑ Back to top