Pup with broken tail, nervous temperament and not long haired. - Page 6

Exactly, Mr.Darcy. Like I said, total sales pitch. That should've been a big red flag.

That puppy is cute!!! And she is most definitely coated.

What I don't understand, is if you wanted a super long coat, really full, why did you buy a puppy out of stock coated parents? Wouldn't you have a greater chance of what you want buying a puppy from coated parents whose coats met your standard? Coats can vary quite a bit...

Vk4 is also sooo right...there are tons of dogs who are ring trained and have awful temperament, lol. It's unfortunate, but true.

Celtic, I don't think you're understanding my point at all. You keep talking about the money and the hassle and her not meeting your goals (well, first of all, you don't even know she can't meet them yet, she is just a puppy! Puppies are always prospects. If you want a sure thing, buy an adult.) My point was that the money is not *so* high that someone ELSE might not pay that for her just because of her breeding if those are what they are looking for. Then you could start fresh with a dog you like and she could have a home where they are proud of her. I think every dog does better in a home where the owner takes pride in them and doesn't look down on them or look at them with pity. JMO.

I bought a puppy once because I wanted the bloodlines. Ended up getting a different puppy than the one I ordered. Then, that one ended up having bad elbows. I got him the surgery and then I gave him away. It was a $6k loss. I considered it a further lesson on what I already knew- you buy puppies only if you want a puppy to raise - you buy an adult for breeding, show, work, etc.

Best of luck with whatever you choose to do with her.

Regarding the comment..
'Wouldn't you have a greater chance of what you want buying a puppy from coated parents whose coats met your standard?'

It's true coats vary..but there is only one standard and that's the breed standard.
 

Sereno, what is your point in that statement? Who is debating the breed standard? I am talking about a puppy not meeting the standard of the buyer, thus the buyer is unhappy. Well, as a buyer, if I was hell-bent on a particular type of long coat, I would darn sure make certain that the puppies' parents possessed it. That's all.

BBS breed standard allows for both lengths, doesn't it ? Now, if you are talking about the fluffy ones actually doing more WINNING, that's a different story. (Nonetheless, some short/standard coated examples of the breed have won big in Europe, so it does not seem to be too difficult to show one if it hasn't turned out to have much coat. And with a still young pup, it may yet decide to provide a longer adult coat than it currently looks like it is going to be).

That's what I meant, Hundmutter- that it was too early to tell about the coat, and if coat was the be-all, end-all, why buy a pup from stock-coated parents?

Jenni,

Looks like you have a habit of jumping to conclusions.

Not once did I imply the coat was the be all and end all, I'm well aware the coat is liable to change over the next few months. As it looks now it is most likely the coat of the pup I'm talking about will be a long stock coat, not long coat.

I'm sure every one of you folk were new to your preferred breed at some point therefore I'd think you would realise that not everyone is an expert when starting out and in the beginning at least, there is certain level of trust one must have in the breeder whom they are purchasing the animal from, how many newbies to pedigree dogs go through the genealogy with a fine tooth comb? Not many I'd presume.

Also, not once did I imply the financial outlay was the be all and end all either so why exaggerate these two most minor of the points I made?

As for the breeder, I have no intention of naming them on here. That was never my intention and would only ever be a last resort. One or two of you guys in your desperation for a bit of scandal have jumped to all sorts of conclusions and if left to it would ruin someones name, not knowing if it is even justified.

I only ever posted in the hope of getting advice on the issue as I assumed some people with experience on here would be able to offer constructive advice and a few of you have, many thanks for that but it's clear now that one or two people here are on a which hunt for their own entertainment so for that reason I'm bowing out of this thread for now.

Thanks again to those of you who have offered advice, it is appreciated.

CelticSpirit, don't blame other members for posting info you have posted yourself such as the breeder from Spain also your pups pedigree. You posted this to a PUBLIC forum which all members have access to, if you didn't want this information made public then you should not have posted it.

In future you should try everything possible to resolve issues with a breeder BEFORE coming to a public forum to post. I hope you do right by this little puppy.

Questioning mod decisions is only allowed by pm to mod.

Thank you VK.

VK, that goes out the window the second the Mod posts PM's between us. This mod has deleted 2 of my posts on this thread for exposing his complicity in defamation of an innocent breeder.