by shepherdace on 19 January 2020 - 03:01
by mrdarcy on 19 January 2020 - 05:01
Rocky KO, I deleted your last rude comment to me as I told you to PM me if you have anything you wish to say to me. Any further rude comments will be deleted so please tidy up your act, thanks.
Koots, my thoughts exactly.
by trixx on 19 January 2020 - 20:01
by Rocky KO on 21 January 2020 - 01:01
Admin edit, I am doing my job and since I gave you a final warning before this comment, now deleted, you are banned. Now go find another site that allows your kind of rudeness. I find it laughable you calling me pathetic, lol think you need to look in before you look out!!! mrdarcy (mod)
by Hundmutter on 21 January 2020 - 03:01
by mrdarcy on 21 January 2020 - 05:01
by FreyjaRoney on 22 January 2020 - 07:01
From the perspective of my own 20+ yrs of training experience(both professionally in the military and later as a civilian, with both pets and working dogs), I completely and passionately disagree with most of you. Non-neutered dogs/unspayed bitches have a biological imperative to mate. That's not a matter of opinion, and its perplexing to see it treated as one. If you doubt it, I would dare you to put yours and another intact dog in a pen next to a bitch in heat- except that I wouldn't because it would be cruel to the animals. An adult canine's primary biological job is mating. You can't breed that out. Certainly, not all wild canines mate- but neither is their effort to do so stiffled by captivity. The issue that causes them stress is not the lack of success in mating, so much as it is being denied the opportunity of the pursuit of this biological imperative. I've seen dozens and dozens of canines with agression, attention deficit, and anxiety related behavioral issues who were able to train through only after neuter. You can talk yourself into believing whatever you like, but it's a community disservice to publicly promote such illogical absurdity. Get your non-breeding pets spayed/neutered!
Also... holding up European countries, many of which condone treatment that would horrify most canine owners elsewhere, as an example of enlightened canine ownership is equally absurd. I don't recommend that people take their queues from a place where in many areas it's common practice(among many other atrocities) to drown/hang, or maim & abandon old or slower dogs at the end of hunting season.
by apple on 22 January 2020 - 09:01
by Hundmutter on 23 January 2020 - 04:01
Getting back to the topic in hand, I would very much like to ask your opinion on how you explain two things:
one, that there are examples given on my "Philosophical questions about dog management" thred, [started to consider these issues away from the somewhat rabid tone taken by the initial, now banned, poster], of dogs ignoring the obvious chance of a mating and instead continuing with other activities;
two, that there appears to be a distinct lack of scientific comment or evidential proof available that could confirm either of these two schools of thought. Maybe its not such a good idea to condemn the opposing view as ignorant, ill-informed, absurd, etc, if the question really isn't settled ?
I realise one or two members here were a bit terse in their responses, but I do not think I have been anything but civil and happy to learn more, when (as I have said) I have come down on one side of the discussion only through 50+ years of dog observation. So quite why the tone of those supporting the (apparently minority, on here at least) view so far has been so aggressive, I can only speculate. Defensive, perhaps ?
by Allan1955 on 02 February 2020 - 08:02
The purpose of every living organism is to reproduce. True. That does not mean they will at any given chance. Rats in Asia postpone their breeding until the rice is harvested. This is a different behavior of the same species in other circumstances. Pack animals like wild dogs, wolfs, or meerkats have their own breeding behavior tailored to the long term survival of the species. This includes the avoidance of inbreeding by the promotion outcross. The homozygosity that arises from inbreeding is an existential threat to the species. That is the reason why there usually one breeding pair in a pack. The rest will have to outcross and form a pack of their own.
The neutering of dogs to influence their behavior is a practice that arises from neutering stallions and bulls to make them docile to manage in farm work. That is because these species have to fight a rival for the right to mate. This is to ensure that the best genes get transmitted, witch is fundamental to their survival. Dogs have a different breeding strategy and therefore don't have the urge for aggression or other kind of unwanted behavior when excluded from mating. Studies have shown that behavioral problems with intact males/ female dogs are more likely prone to bad handling or temperament issues of the individual dog than anything els.