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kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 21 July 2017 - 04:07

And jenn i didn t delete a word of what I said.
He didn't t just say yeah take my dogs. I don't t want them anymore
He said I can t afford your outrageous demands to try to retain ownership of what is legally mine.
There is a difference .

Mystere

by Mystere on 21 July 2017 - 18:07

Tax write-off? That would be for the one who had a financial interest in the dogs as part of their business.
Yes, Jenn, you are right: Some of the people NOW coming forward and bleating about the "poor conditions" they "observed" had financial dealings with Randy with respect to those dogs at the time...so,they had no issues. Money does that. I don't know which of those co-own situations led to bad blood, or someone feeling screwed, but, now that Rand is down, they are circling. I cannot tell you how many pms and emails I have received from people ( directly, or through intermediaries) who all " saw the deplorable conditions." You would not believe the people who NOW want to know who to contact in USCA. ( Including one diehard WDA member who should have gone down with the ship, but lacked the integrity--yeah, I mean you, Kim). Or, worse, those who " saw the deplorable conditions," and NOW want to rescue the dogs. Yeah, right! Vultures are simply looking to get a dog, cheap, that they could not afford to purchase otherwise. The fact that the county has a policy to place the dogs away from the confiscation area "may" work to the vultures' advantage. I do not know. What I do know, and have told said vultures, is that I WANT NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY OF THIS. Randy Brent is no friend of mine--Lord knows he has publicly attacked and disrespected me enough times to have earned a lifetime placement on my Shit List. But, the vultures are equally distasteful to me. In fact, a couple are even more distasteful. Bottom-Line: None of these people can expect anything from me if they were on fire, other that me simply holding my nose, as I walk away.

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 21 July 2017 - 18:07

Nia, I could not agree more. If it was that bad, then you should have said something. If it wasn't, then you should certainly not be saying anything now, just because you want something for nothing.

Kitkat, I would agree that someone should be proven guilty before losing their "property" but when someone's "property" consists of sentient beings who should have rights of their own (proper care, namely), and when there have already been deaths, that isn't possible. I don't see an alternative to the way it happened. There are absolutely no winners in situations like this.

by Laural H on 21 July 2017 - 20:07

I thought that when these dogs were placed in new homes that they are to be spayed and neutered according to ASPCA rules.  

Is this not correct.

If correct then why would they now be sought out as a prize that cannot make them any MONEY.


by GSCat on 21 July 2017 - 23:07

That is what is supposed to happen.

However, I am not thoroughly convinced this always happens as it is supposed to. in the real world, sometimes the alteration doesn't happen until they have been in foster care for awhile.

 

Also, I took my GSD with me when I visited a local shelter to buy some toys from the gift shop, and a whole gaggle of people descended upon/mobbed me demanding to know if I were there to surrender her, and when I told them my purpose, they all disappeared. Why, if they weren't working at the surrender desk, were they so interested (almost frantic) in finding out if I were surrendering my GSD? And totally uninterested in her when she was clearly not available?

(sigh)

I don't fault the shelter for the actions of a few people because the shelter does a lot of awesome work, which is why I buy what I can from their gift shop.
 


by SitasMom on 22 July 2017 - 19:07

I have never baited a dog with chicken or anything else! I been in the situation where it was unsafe for myself and my young children and livestock to be in our yard because of neighbors' dogs. And after having called animal control, and the police multiple times, received no help. (bitten when checking mail, cat pulled apart on the front porch in front of children, dogs attacking my horse requiring sutures, dogs growling and advancing on back porch, dogs killing a pet rabbit, dogs getting into the coop killing chickens, mini pig chasing my horse and my dog, dogs advancing on my young children, dogs sneaking up on me when trying to leave for work, etc.). I spoke to the neighbors many times, the reply was "we live in the country". Multiple complaints were given to the police and animal control, nothing was done. Back in the 80's and 90's controlling dogs was not as huge priority as it is now. I was able to rent live traps from animal control, but they were stolen and I had to pay for them. Did I kill a dog, yes. Dogs that chase, attack or kill livestock are predators, the law allows it. Did I want to kill, no, I did not. I finally got a response from the police when I shot a bullet into the ground in the ground about 10' away from the front porch (country setting) to scare off a dogs was advancing in an aggressive manor. Police finally came, I had detailed account of events going back two years including pictures and a copy of the law which they weren't aware of, they finally to spoke the neighbors. I was not given a citation, neighbors were given 2 weeks to gain control of their dogs. I do not wish this experience on anyone.

When I was there, the place was "borderline", Randy had not been there for a few days. He cleaned the kennels, a dog was living in a stock trailer, never saw that dog. The people living there complained, but I didn't believe them (innocent until proven guilty). A year later, I came to realize the that I should have believed those people, when Honey came back after whelping a litter with X-Box. She came back to me in deplorable condition! I tried cut my ties immediately after - easier said than done!

I've never co-owned a dog with anyone in NY.

Yes, a complaint was filed and Animal Control came for a surprise visit in 2012. The complaint was that I had a house full of dogs living in stacked crates. I let them in, they checked the whole house and advised me that I could only have 3 pets within city limits, I had 5 at the time. They told me to find a home for 2 of the dogs and they would be back in a month, didn't write any citations, and on leaving mentioned that our home didn't even smell like dogs lived there. They didn't return for another visit. This was the main factor in sending Honey and Zyra back to Randy. I agonized over this. I signed Zyra's registration certificate and asked for my name to be taken off, which I found out about 2 years ago, which wasn't done. She had 2 litters with him, I didn't sign any litter or puppy registrations papers because I didn't know she was being used for breeding. The puppies somehow were registered. I then demanded that he take care of her registration, again he said he would, but didn't. We've moved property on 4 acres. When Honey came back, I nursed her back to health, she was spay and adopted out to live out her life as an only dog and constant companion with no other dogs to compete with.

AKC came for an inspection a year or so go. The inspector looked at the condition of all my dogs, the conditions in which they were living, vet records, litter and dog records. My dogs don't live outside in kennels, they're not stored in a garage, they live inside my home, I only have a few dog and they are loved family members and pets. At the time of the inspection. A litter of 12 puppies that were about about 5/6 weeks old, as with all litters raised here, they were in a huge x-pen in the living room. I was instructed to create an emergency plan. He was satisfied, and I passed with good marks.

I require 2 visits prior to picking up a puppy from me, I do background checks, I've been selling every puppy with limited registration for several years, and will take any of my puppies back with no questions asked, no matter what their condition is. I will never co-own a dog again.

As far as people not checking conditions. Many people are naive, I know I was! People rely on reputations, personalities, on what a potential co-owner or trainer promises. Many times the other person makes it very easy to meet at a remote location, and they have no idea what the conditions are. People can be too trusting, I know I was.

I'm sure that detractors will pick this apart, its just what they do.














 


by beetree on 23 July 2017 - 01:07

beetree on 23 July 2017 - 01:07
 
Sitasmom, that first sentence of yours is not jiving with your past descriptions in dealing with your neighbors from hell. Yes, you said it. It was chickens that you lured their dogs with so you could shoot them once they tresspassed onto your property. Heck, I sure as hell couldnt make this sh*t up. I know it is buried in here somewhere. I just can't be wasting the effort to prove something I already know.

Removed the post do to members comments below returned it for proof surfaced.

GSDHertiage Admin


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 23 July 2017 - 13:07

Is this really necessary? This is why the forum is as dead as it is because of accusations like these.

by SitasMom on 23 July 2017 - 14:07

Bearenfange I agree, there are a few cut throat people that insist ruining it for all.

I've asked beetree to find proof... still waiting.

by JonRob on 23 July 2017 - 15:07

Beetree was right and her post should not have been deleted.

Your own words on PDB, SitasMom:

“i had a bad neighbor issue a while back. their dogs were ALWAYS loose. first I built fences, which helped but for only a whie. Next I bought some chickens and took photos of their dogs chasing and killing my chickens. I showed the photos to the neighbor who laughed. The very next day when his dogs came over to kill my chickens I shot every one of his dogs. He called the cops, I showed him the photos and also the part of the law that allows me to protect my stock from preditors. The cop looked at me and smiled and told that neighbor that he needed to keep his dog in his yard because there's a leash law and also a preditor law and I acted within my rights. when the rest of the neighborhood found out what I had done, a thank you basket arrived at my door!....”

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/community.read?post=579215-neighbor-issues&p=4#579743

Does you no good to change the story now. You were absolutely gleeful about killing those dogs.

Now I don’t know squat about Randy or the conditions his dogs were in. I have never met him or seen any of his dogs.

But I do know that anyone who treats dogs as cruelly as SitasMom does--and then gleefully brags about it on PDB--could  be unloading a pile of slanderous horsesh*t when she claims that someone neglected his dogs. And Randy has every right to sue the ass off of anyone who is damaging him by lying about him.

Also where Randy is concerned SitasMom has suddenly done a total flipflop on seizures of breeders’ dogs. Her own words on PDB again, about a different seizure:

“This is what I've been trying to say from the beginning........
Our property rights are being eroded every day.......
With every instance such as this, a rule of precedence is created, and that is how judges determine all future cases.
Yes it terrifies me!”

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/community.read?post=775115-von-hunterhaus-39-dogs-seized&p=45

So why the flipflop? It makes me think Randy is right when he said in this thread:

“one of the dogs involved is a dog I co own with Kim Rall. It's understandable she wants to distance herself from this. This is a very toxic situation.”






 


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