Limited Registration Discussion - Page 12

Ok! And here is a non alcohol toast to our newfound agreement,  

 

Anyway, I just got back from taking my new mama dog for a walk...she is trying to get her puppies to play with her his morning! Their eyes are opening and she is bored with them just eating and sleeping, lol. I have a monitor on them( always!) Even though they are in the next room. 

Here she is, in all her glory, down in our field after a splash in the creek and a roll in the grass.

 ( I GAVE her to them: a great home is what is important to me. I have wonderful memories raising and training her and to ask money for such a lovely dog is to reduce her to being a " product" !)

Joan, isn't that just the way it goes! What a revelation to learn this concept of the type of breeder who is truly devoted to the breed for all the right reasons. The real truth is, when one develops a relationship with a quality breeder that is cemented with mutual trust, the price drops exponentially! 

No one cares about a piece of paper then, either! Except, well, it might look good in a frame, lol.

Take the time to get to know the breeder and their dogs. Making those bonds ones of friendship and not just a business transaction does make a difference.

“Nonalcoholic” 😮 Never !
See it didn’t last long !! Lol
Momma looks dang good for just birthing puppies! Good looking gal,,,

Lol. At my age, Ruger, well......I have had my share of that good stuff! I would not deny anyone of the pleasure of imbibing as I have done in my younger days! ( Younger than I am now, anyway)

...I'd be a ....." Hypocrite" if I did, lol.

 

Thank you....

 

 

Speaking from a buyer's perspective, here.

When I purchased my dog, she was intended for police work/handler protection. But, I did not even consider breeders, who would only sell with limited registration or a required spay/neuter contract, because sometimes life happens, or things change. Mostly, I was concerned about ending up with a lesser dog, which shouldn't be bred because of faults in conformation, temperament, health, etc. A dog with any of these issues could be a problem as a working dog. Since I had had to put down another working dog for health (genetic) reasons, I was not taking any chances, and also looked for a health guarantee.  In this case, I have decided to breed the dog, but only if I find the right stud.  If I didn't have full registration, or there had been a spay/neuter contract, I couldn't do it, and my dog's contribution to the betterment of the line(s)/breed would be lost.

If all I had wanted was a pet, then LR and/or a spay/neuter contract might have been OK, especially if full registration were available for the same dog, but even then, I still would have wanted the health guarantee.
 

Okay, I don't have a real clue about American law...
What I understood, and I may be wrong:

An AKC breeder is able to sell on LR, and he or she is able to create a written contract like "full registration in case of x, y, z" (health tests, conformation, working ability, whatever).
In case the breeder is not able to act accordingly (in the worst case died) AKC will follow the written contract.
This has nothing to do with puppy prices-for example selling a chryptorchide for less.
This has nothing to do with health warranties. They have to be written down, too.

That said, every serious breeder does have a goal in mind, be it healthy dogs(HD, , ED, proven by OFA), dogs able to work (whatever kind of, but somehow proven), conformation (seize, teeth, testicles, color).

As a buyer I shouldn't have a problem with these restrictions-after all I selected the breeder because those dogs are the result of the breeder's goals.

As a breeder-in case a buyer is not okay with my personal restrictions this buyer is not okay with my personal goals...
This buyer should shop somewhere else.

Circumventing LR?
No problem, no pedigrees, maybe CKC pedigrees, but at least not AKC, and AKC pedigrees are the ones people are willing to pay for...

Natural selection...

GScat~ I have the time today and I’m curious so I have a few questions if you don’t mind.
Just so you know, I’m not a breeder.😊

Is one of the reasons why you were against the spay/neuter and LR because you thought that the breeder was selling that way because it was a less quality dog compared with those that were being sold with the whole kit and caboodle?

In my opinion a dog with problems in conformation, health, and temperament is a problem no matter what he’s trained to be. Anything short of a sound body and mind becomes a liability in every way even for a dog raised to be a family pet.

Lastly, because the way the thread has gone and because I’m curious, it begs me to ask what qualities your female has that makes her a contributor to the betterment of the breed.
Thanks 😊

Susie ~ good post 👍🏼

Susie, AKC states they do not get involved in Limited registration disputes....so in case the breeder is ' unavailable' for whatever reason, the owner shitoutaluck.

" At least not AKC, and AKC are the ones people are willing to pay for."

No, Susie, AKC does not have the market on people willing to "pay for" .
AKC does not guarantee quality any more than the ckc. I know personally, of one byb who sells his AKC registered litters for 600$ per pup. And he has litters advertised litterally all the time...last year he had FIVE litters at one time and then two more at the same time a couple months later....he sells all his pups. In fact, AKC investigated him two years ago and again last year.... But still cranking out puppies.

On the other hand, I know a guy who bred his female to a working LE k9 , so no registration, and sold the entire litter of 8 , no papers, for $1,200 ...it was so good, he bred her back on her next heat, sold all the unregistered pups, another large litter, for $1,200.
And the examples I gave here are not outlyers...you can see adds all over the place for many others doing the same.

Edit to add: neither of the two examples have had any h/e checks, forget OFA...too much money!

Joanro, when you read the AKC rules, they don't get involved in "disputes" between breeder/seller (like questionable interpretations of "working ability") but they will follow written contracts in case the breeder is not able to do so.
Like for example:breedworthy in case of HD/ED = fair or better, At least IPO1, show rating good or better, and so on.

Even some German SV breeders do sell puppies for €400 or less, but for anybody who wants to buy a GSD with pedigrees SV is no1 of choice, the same with AKC
It's the best known, biggest, breed registry in the States..