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kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 20 August 2017 - 17:08

me too,
thats what some people fail to realize. when breeding dogs, any dogs, your first obligation is, or at least always should be, the best possible life that you can put your pup into.
sure, we that breed dogs would of course all love it if every pup went on to live a productive working career, where we could gloat and brag what wonderful dogs we are producing.
but at what cost to the pups/dogs? there is no amount of money or that false sense of superiority many breeders feel when their pup gets recognized, that can justify sending a dog to live a life that is so void of any real happiness, spending hours on end hoping someone might spend a little quality time with them, or at least allow them to move about freely, and not have to perform for their meals, while feeling wanted for the wonderful companion they long to be.
joan was so right when she said those that have dogs for no other reason than to make money off of them, are truly missing out on the pleasures that a dog brings into your life, when you allow them into yours

by Bavarian Wagon on 21 August 2017 - 13:08

I would love to know how many "true sport homes" you three have actually been to. I think it's funny that you guys write about how you've "found that" even though I highly doubt you've been to that many people's homes. You listen to hearsay and rumors. I know for a fact I wouldn't be inviting some stranger to my house to see how my dogs live. A handful of club members have been to my home and that's only because we've become friends and not just people at club. Really doubt any of you have seen that many homes to know exactly how dogs are treated. Just need to continue to make up lies and perpetuate rumors.

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 21 August 2017 - 17:08

Oh, he's off again ! Which of the "you three" are you including there, BW ?

For myself, assuming I'm one of the 3, I have probably been in more GSDs homes than you - or many people here - partly because I've (unlike you) been involved for more years in which to do so; and operated as a dog-sitting / walking service; partly because of the nature of my late mentor who made friends easily with many, many owners, both Show and Working; and because for several years she was a tattooist and I used to go to peoples' litters with her, to hold the pups. Put that in your supercilious pipe and smoke it !

by Bavarian Wagon on 21 August 2017 - 19:08

Lol you've been in more sport homes? Huh...didn't realize that sport people hire dog walkers. I'm sure that the budding sport community in England is all about hiring people to walk their bite trained dogs since they can't spend time with their dogs.

I love when people take a comment and turn the context around in order to prove a point. Hey, can you provide me that research you did when you told me that the Universal Sieger was invented by the Americans, someone was asking me about that and I'd like to send them the information.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 21 August 2017 - 20:08

Ugh. What's it like, B.W., feeling you have to belittle and demean everyone who crosses your path? Sad Smile

Seriously, you know SO MUCH, can't you answer that question yourself?? Roll eyes  [sarcasm font]


by Bavarian Wagon on 21 August 2017 - 20:08

No one is being belittled...I think it's sad that people make demeaning statements about a whole population based on a person or two they've met. You make it sound like you've met so many people, yet I know for a fact you haven't met anywhere near the amount I've met. I don't care how old you are either, I can guarantee I've met more LEGITIMATE and HIGH LEVEL sport people than any one of the three people making comments as if they know how people in the sport treat their dogs. On top of that 99% of sport people at clubs...are glorified pet people that live with their dogs just like any other pet owner would. They don't care enough and don't know any better. The biggest reason many people kennel dogs is when they have too many to safely and cleanly live in a home...it has nothing to do with sport, it has to do with the amount and the type of dogs that they have and also the life style they want to live. Judging people for a different lifestyle is a joke. Even when my dogs are kenneled they get way more training and attention than the majority of dogs that are treated like "pets." If you want to discuss dogs living fulfilled lives...I'll take a sport dog that's worked 3-4 times a week over the pet that sits on the couch and plays fetch for 5 minutes in the back yard any day.

Keep trying to cry wolf. I think it's sad that you believe that you can make belittling statements about a group of people and then cry when someone turns it around on you. This is a really dumb idea that you're allowed to lump people together, say something bad about them, but because you're talking about a group and not a particular person (mostly the fact that it's just not a particular person on this forum) it's somehow better than me calling you guys out for lying about your experience with sport people?

How to find a serious breeder? Look for objective results. Real facts. Not stories. The moment you fall for a story is the moment you’ve looked past a red flag. Look up the OFA rating on the registry, ask for the scores/location/judge of the trial, get all the numbers you possibly can. Numbers don’t lie, people do. People with more knowledge will turn any piece of information into a positive one when talking to someone that knows less than they do. Talk to other people and get varying opinions. Talk to people that have no connection to the breeder and show them the data you’ve collected. If you have enough data that you can list all the facts and remove the breeder’s name, people can make an objective decision if you’ve looked at everything you need to. Breeder decisions should be based on the dogs, not the person doing the breeding. Too often we give “experienced” people a pass for something we’d roast a “new” breeder for doing. It’s really not that hard…the biggest issue people have is falling for a sales pitch based on a story, not realizing that a breeder is that at the end of the day, a breeder is a salesperson.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 21 August 2017 - 21:08

You read it here first - it does not belittle people to call them liars.

Western Rider

by Western Rider on 21 August 2017 - 21:08

So now can we get back on topic.

Let us again leave off the personal finger pointing.

Condemning a whole group for what a few may do really  

There are homes of all kinds, some are good and some bad. Not all are only one way 


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 21 August 2017 - 21:08

FYI: Some hundsports people and some Police and some other working dog people take vacations too, y'know, or have to attend Conferences etc, just like my other clients - they don't all have family available on tap, and it was not uncommon to be trusted with looking after their dogs in their absences.

You did what you always do, and interpreted what others had written using your own, over-
generalising, yardstick. Nobody was arguing that 'all' Sports homes treat their dogs purely as commodities, any more than we would (unlike you) suggest ALL Show homes do that. Just that there ARE some people who do this, in all spheres, and that 'we' think its a shame that a dog should end up in a situation like that.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 21 August 2017 - 21:08

I was just going to say the same thing, Hundmutter. Yes, not all sport homes are like that, and not all pet homes let their dogs be couch potatotes.

A good home is one that gives a GSD exercise that engages both mind and body, as well as providing affection.
 






 


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