Dominance from a Young Age ( 8 weeks old ) - Page 9

I give up...

Baerenfangs, you and Susie seem to have differing opinions on being able to tell much from observing a puppy. That is interesting but does not address the topic or thread question.

To rephrase *my* questions (possibly the same ones as OP has)- What (if anything) can we conclude about a puppy who play fights with determination and "aggression" with the owner/breeder/handler? Does it give us any insight into the dogs genetic temperament for protection work? When a puppy (or even adult dog) loves to play fight vigorously with the handler/breeder/whomever is the pup tapping into "fight drive"? Does this desire to play fight carry over into actual protection work?
 

Yeah...so much about puppies and dogs in general has to be developed that there's no way to make any conclusion about what the pup is going to be like at an older age. Many of you complain about "trianers hiding problems" but the truth is, a good trainer will bring everything they can out of a puppy from the get go. Dogs need development, very few can be left alone until 2 and be expected to achieve something. Natural drive can be hampered and nurtured.

Would I take this puppy over one that runs away from that kind of play? Absolutely. But there is nothing you can take away from this video that will guarantee certain drives or behaviors at a mature age without continued nurturing of such behaviors. My assumption would be that the breeder did something to this pup, got this kind of reaction, rewarded it and went with it. Continuing to reward this type of behavior will lead to more of it and as the puppy grows it will act like this in the future if allowed. I’d be willing to wager that it can also easily be stopped.

you cannot "make"or "train" just any pup to behave like this, I agree with susies last post

Thank you Duke, sometimes some common sense sinply feels good...

Adhahn, I guess I already answered ( or at least tried to answer ) your question at the bottom of page 4.

All of us made their own experiences ( and some just guess ) - I am only able to talk about mine...

As if this was something that special. Seriously... what type of dogs are ya'll around that this seems to be something special?

Not "special" but good - and that's at least for me better than average.
Even in case I don' t like a breeder I am able to acknowledge a good dog ( in this case based on one videoclip only ).
I' d love to see the pup in person.

Susie why only Thank you Duke? I have been saying from the get go that even if this behavior is learnt it must have its origin in genetics ( especially such that the dog is so young ). Another puppy without the appropriate genetics is like to respond differently... ex: folding up, cold turkey, luke warm.
Despite all the so "called expert : advise ( Hund ...et al ) I am pleased that I never inhibited my dog's natural tendency to be civil . Now at about 33 months she is willing to be obedient to get to run that ball, and her civilness has taken on a more matured demeanor; anyone coming within a radius of 6 feet or so ( of us ) ..she locks eyes with them and sit dead still ( and I know what that means and the person usually know as well ).

A lot of folks were saying that dogs without obedience get out of control blah baalh baalh....but no one was offering an explanation as to why  thousands of random dogs with zilch, nada, zero obedience traning never become agrressive on any level. The conclusion is that aggression level not a function of obedience. It is more likely a function of genetics

Yes the "the person" knows what that means, ie;

you are over compensating your physical and mental weakness thru yr dog.
You can't control your dog
You give the breed a bad name
You are nuts.

" why is locking eyes with a strange person " a bad name for the breed?

The dog is simply saying wait..dont come closer.