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by Klossbruhe on 03 March 2020 - 12:03

As one poster noted, very few clubs would be willing to let an Ovcharka train in IGP protection. Some posters have indicated that there would be no problem just that they work differently. I saw them in Turkey and I can say that I do not think it a good idea to do IGP with one. I do not speak to French Ring, Mondo Ring or Dutch Police Sport. The dogs I saw had very strong defense and protection drives and are quite serious about taking out a threat they are, in my opinion and those three words are important, one of several breeds that are serious defenders and not suited for IGP. Keep in mind, IGP is a SPORT, it is not a test for the police or the military and as a sport it requires balanced drives that can be channeled. In the IGP channeling must take place when the dog reaches the hot blind and finds the helper, then later when it is asked to out after the escape and subsequent drive, the back transport where the helper is actually coming at the dog and the long bite courage test ditto. A few other dogss I would include as unsuitable for IGP are
Akita, Argentine Dogo, Cane Corso, Fila Brasileiro, Bull Mastiff, Presa Canario, Kangal, Toso Inu, Rhodesian Ridgeback, Boer Boel, and Chow Chow,

I know someone is going read this list and say, "Oh yeah? Well, I trained my ______fill in the blank to SchH3, IPO3, IGP3. It is always possible, but in general those breeds are not suitable for IGP SPORT.

by ValK on 03 March 2020 - 12:03

english based videos on youtube about caucasian shepherds actually tend to be less informative and somewhat hyped.
this breed seems quite popular in russia, plenty of information can be found in russian speaking segment of youtube on condition the viewer can grasp talks meaning in these videos. sure there are too some amount is commercial bs but also plenty of realistic, practical points.
an another breed, seems same popular in russia as caucasian shepherd is central asian shepherd dogs, often also call alabay. i haven't seen them in real life but looks like that breed also produce similarly big dogs with similar temperament and traits but much less flufy coats.
in any case, one should understand, the more popular breed become the less can be found initial qualities for which breed was established.
it's apply for caucasian and central asian shepherd dogs as well. maybe situation not yet as grim as with GSDs but as i understand it is moving in that direction.

https://is.gd/tVSH0m


by GSCat on 03 March 2020 - 22:03

Thank you, Apple, NatureDragon, DuganVomEichenluft, Klossbruhe, and Valk.

by ThatWasClose on 04 March 2020 - 22:03

I find it disconcerting how these various Asian dog breeds are slowly starting to become the new "my dog is tougher than your dog" fad to own in Western society.

DuganVomEichenluft

by DuganVomEichenluft on 05 March 2020 - 06:03

ThatWasClose,

No one in the topic said anything about "my dog is tougher than your dog". Dog breeds make there way to the Western Society for many reasons. I, for one, may be importing a Boerboel and it has nothing to do with that.
The topic was not started for the purpose of your post. Can we please stay on track.

~Brandi~

by ValK on 05 March 2020 - 14:03

ThatWasClose

there are always certain category of people, who's lacking self esteem and who trying to boost own ego by owning unusual and rare things, including dogs.
paying an extra for mediocre dog just for having "DDR" pedigree or the pup, whose grand-grand-grandpa was a famous is one of such example.
so it has nothing to "toughness" of this or that breed. caucasian shepherd can be same crappy as dog in any other breed.

by GSCat on 05 March 2020 - 22:03

Thank you, DuganVomEichenluft and Valk.

ThatWasClose--

I'm absolutely sure the individual that is asking doesn't have any machismo attitudes toward the dog or the sport. In fact, quite the opposite, and since I didn't have the answers, I posted on that person's behalf to get knowledgable, thoughtful input.



GK1

by GK1 on 06 March 2020 - 06:03

Interesting learning about different working, guardian breeds from those with some knowledge.  Not necessarily to contrast against the world’s undisputed champion breed(GS), but for perspective with trends in protection qualities. ValK - your idea of GS having capacity to be more dangerous than Ovcharka, improvise during fight - could you expand?

I queried the Boerboel and saw an ad for pups mixed 50/50 Boerboel with Ovcharka.  Brilliant...


DuganVomEichenluft

by DuganVomEichenluft on 06 March 2020 - 10:03

GSCat, You're most welcome.

GK1, 50/50 Boerboel/Ovcharka...interesting. I found a breeder in the USA breeding miniature Boerboels. 


by ValK on 06 March 2020 - 12:03

GK1

it's not simply my idea, it's been observation and experience through decoying both. protection prep wasn't what you see in SchH or other established sport disciplines aka "approach-bite-hold". in such training the differences in dog fight against human become very notable. not only in between breeds but even between the dogs withing one breed.
not my business of course but my opinion - the mixes for sake of mixes, without intention of developing stand alone new breed is just very bad.





 


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