German Shepherd Dog > Your thoughts on this pedigree please. (50 replies)
Your thoughts on this pedigree please.
by shaz1 on 06 August 2012 - 04:36
Can you please give me your thoughts and comments on this pedigree please.
I am a novice, so if anything is of a concern please do let me know. Thanks in advance.
by THEskridge on 06 August 2012 - 04:46
|http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=732625 Your links not working so I posted it again for you :)|
by shaz1 on 06 August 2012 - 04:54
|THEskridge: Many thanks friend.|
by kitkat3478 on 06 August 2012 - 10:15
|It is not a bad looking pedigree, but personally, it is nothing I would be interested in, esp if you are planning to go into breeding. The dog looks ok, but again, NOT the direction I want to take the breed.|
by marjorie on 06 August 2012 - 12:48
Nope- not the direction I want to see the breed going...Heaven no!
by shaz1 on 06 August 2012 - 13:11
|Thanks for the replies. May I ask which direction that would be? Sorry for my ignorance on this subject. Regards|
by prowatt on 06 August 2012 - 13:48
|That would be the way of showline. Some people do not like the showline. Why? I really don't know. I have had 3 working line GSD's in my life and have had 2 and soon to be me third showline. I find them to be of equal value to me. Both in my experiences have been fearless and loyal. My show lines have had higher drives but have been harder to integrate socially. |
I think you have a fine dog. She should provide you with many years of enjoyment and loyalty.
by kitkat3478 on 06 August 2012 - 14:42
|I AM A SHOWLINE PERSON, my feelings have absolutly NOTHING to do with the showline/workingline debate. I also have working line dogs. I myself DO NOT like the conformation of that dog, and would NEVER breed for it either. I think it is doing a GREAT ,DIS-service to the breed on the whole. YEAH, the. Color is nice....|
by prowatt on 06 August 2012 - 15:01
|I apologize as I did not mean anything derogatory by my post. I'm no expert by any means of conformation. I also don't know that the picture is doing the dog justice? With that said take a look at my pup and tell me what you think. I'm a big boy, I can take it:) http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/search.html?main=false&index_in=All&results_in=10&string_in=ira+von+rheinhardt |
Again I apologize for assuming this was a showline/working line debate. It was not meant in any way to malicious.
by kitkat3478 on 06 August 2012 - 15:28
|Chris- I am no way any type expert, nor do I try to come off as one. The conformation on your pup. Is MUCH more to my likeing(spelling don't look right,can't recall the drop the e thing). I also happen to be a Huge BadBoll fan so...|
by prowatt on 06 August 2012 - 15:30
|No worries here. I think your dogs are gorgeous btw. Congrats on that!|
by susie on 06 August 2012 - 16:16
|Bad stack - good looking pup.|
If you are looking for a good dog without the intention to be a participant of the Nationals this female is a good choice ( health? hips? elbows?)
by orene65 on 06 August 2012 - 16:29
|Can someone please check out pedigreedatabase.com/gsd/dog.html?id=1826956 is that good german bloodline? I don't understand how to read pedigree thanks|
by Hundmutter on 06 August 2012 - 20:46
I am no expert on what comes out of all bloodlines either; but there are things about Mady's pedigree that anyone
could point out to you:
Generation 3 going backwards ie great grandparents - some good and some famous names of German dogs and kennels,
all with their SV Hip clearances and titles earned.
Generation 2: grandparents - dogs i have personnally never heard of (which does not mean no one else on here knows
of them), but no titles shown, and on the sire's side, no Hips either. At least her mother has hip cleared parents (both
Generation 1: haven't heard anything about either parent either; neither sire nor dam have any titles or gradings listed
(which screams "Pet" at me); and neither have any hip clearance - if done in USA that should be an OFA grade. (Which
screams "bad breeder").
Which means you have no early clues as to how good or bad her hip joints are, which is not particularly good news. Sorry to have to be the bearer of it; hope you get lucky and don't have trouble with them.
Try another photo but pay more attention to where you/she puts her back legs. They are too far forward and too far
apart in that stack, which turns her rear feet out to the side and does not improve her 'topline' ie her back looks too
curved [which is what people are mainly objecting to I think]- the middle point of her back should not be higher than
the wither, the point over the shoulder; in your photo it is, and then falls away too sharply towards her tail. Study
pics of other dogs on here then you'll see what I mean.
by marjorie on 06 August 2012 - 23:45
|--- > I myself DO NOT like the conformation of that dog, and would NEVER breed for it either|
I love showlines, have had showlines, myself, but I do not like the conformation of that dog, either! She has a camel back and
her rear just drops off. It is not my idea of a good representation of the breed nor is it something I would ever breed upon or want the breed to become :( You can do much better. Her head is also very masculine, IMHO...
by yellowrose of Texas on 07 August 2012 - 00:44
| Agree bad stack not to my liking and looking thru the pups sired by both dam and sire mainly BOOMER a lot of the stacks are very extreme so not able to see the true body of any of them....|
like looking at a BANANA on some of them and others remind me of STRETCHED LIMO.......
BUT I did go thru the SIBLINGS and saw the BOOMER does produce well
this is the latest he has to his credit that I could agree would be good.
SIEGERIN- 6-9 NASS 2011 Flic-Flac von Wilhendorf
Here is 2011 good fact: Boomer has sired a large number to very good bitches/////
by kitkat3478 on 07 August 2012 - 01:13
|YR-that is Exactly what I got out of it . I do not like the ARCH in the back. It is not what. I feel should be encouraged for the breed.|
by macrowe1 on 07 August 2012 - 02:35
|Maybe it's a bad stack, but I don't like the conformation of the dog. I personally do not like dogs that look like this. I like both show and workling lines, and I like a few in the pedigree, but there's some on the female's side that in my opinion never should've been bred. When a Shepherd looks like they're trying to go to the bathroom 24-7, there's something wrong. Should be a nice slope, not a drop off.|
by marjorie on 07 August 2012 - 03:55
|Looked at the photos in the pedigree again- I see flat feet or long toes on the dam and one of the grandfathers- weak pasterns? I looked at the photos of the dam's progeny and I see the long toes again- not the tight feet I like to see and some long hocks. Flat feet would make it hard for a dog to function properly. She seems to throw progeny with her type of conformation. The grandchildren were better, but still nothing to make me want to explore the line any further or hope someone will breed upon it. No where in the standard, that I am aware of, does it say a GSD should have a hump or bump in the middle of its back. An arch can make a fixed object stronger, which is why they have arches on long bridge spans. Dogs are not fixed objects, so the reasoning is just not applicable. I also do not like rears that just *fall off*. Thats not in the standard, either. The banana backs are of a concern to me, neurologically. The nerves may end up eventually becoming pinched, where they come together after the hump, and this has been written about in several papers I have come across. I wish I had kept the link to the articles, as they were very interesting. I see some dippy, uneven backs in the progeny, as well.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 07 August 2012 - 05:05
| I agree Marj and Mac:|
I did not even waste time on the Dam....
Boomer is only part I would consider but not this pup..
REMEMBER the female(dam) is contributing 65 % to YOUR PUP.......
NEGATIVE on this one.